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Acevil said:

I think a better example is pointing out the hypocrisy and double standard between Bayonnetta 2 and SFV. You easily win that one.

In the end it is just a fanbase whinning they don't get to play another fanbases game. 


Amen



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sabvre42 said:
DonFerrari said:
IamAwsome said:

I don't agree with Azzanation's arguement that TR wouldn't have happened without MS, but that article raises a point. No the situations regarding SFV and ROTTR are not the same, but it doesn't change the fact that MS helped to fund the game which led to timed exclusivity.  Square Enix wanted to maximize profits, and how do you do that? You find someone who will chip in a few bucks, and AFAIK they appear to be doing the same thing with the FFVII remake and all signs point to it being a timed exclusive. That shouldn't surprise anyone given it's the same publisher. 


FF VII Remake was also clear... coming first to Playstation... not "Coming exclusive this holiday for X1"

 

Sony might still block the xb1 version,  and honestly it still wouldn't be the same as TR or SF5. FF7 has NEVER been on a Xbox or Nintendo system. Also, the final fantasy games that did land in xbox all sold worse than ps.


I'm talking about how clearly they are about it being temporary exclusive (not mentioning any platforms at the moment, and perhaps for the time it's only being dev for PS4, and others will be decided later). While MS tried to word making people think it was totally exclusive forever.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Normchacho said:

Yeah...it's really more like they are paying for SFV to exist earlier. It's not like without Sony the PC version would still be coming out in 2016.

Another big factor that played into SFV's console exclusivity is Microsoft's policy against cross-platform play. This is why FFXIV is on Playstation and PC, but not on Xbox.

sabvre42 said:
DonFerrari said:

FF VII Remake was also clear... coming first to Playstation... not "Coming exclusive this holiday for X1"

Sony might still block the xb1 version,  and honestly it still wouldn't be the same as TR or SF5. FF7 has NEVER been on a Xbox or Nintendo system. Also, the final fantasy games that did land in xbox all sold worse than ps.

It's going to come down to if Sony feels like doing that. Kagari said that Type-0 sales are 90% PS4 and 10% XBO. That ratio is only going to grow because the PS4 is getting all of the other JRPGs (e.g. Nier 2, Star Ocean 5, Tales of Zestiria, Tales of Berseria, SAO: Lost Song, Yoru No Nai Kuni, etc.) while the XBO will not.



Aura7541 said:
sabvre42 said:
DonFerrari said:

FF VII Remake was also clear... coming first to Playstation... not "Coming exclusive this holiday for X1"

Sony might still block the xb1 version,  and honestly it still wouldn't be the same as TR or SF5. FF7 has NEVER been on a Xbox or Nintendo system. Also, the final fantasy games that did land in xbox all sold worse than ps.

It's going to come down to if Sony feels like doing that. Kagari said that Type-0 sales are 90% PS4 and 10% XBO. That ratio is only going to grow because the PS4 is getting all of the other JRPGs (e.g. Nier 2, Star Ocean 5, Tales of Zestiria, Tales of Berseria, SAO: Lost Song, Yoru No Nai Kuni, etc.) while the XBO will not.

But. .. the cloud!? 



Mystro-Sama said:

Street Fighter V wouldn't have been made if Sony didn't step in since Capcom was on their face. SE was fine financially when they made the deal with MS.


This, SE makes a lot of money



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sabvre42 said:
Aura7541 said:

It's going to come down to if Sony feels like doing that. Kagari said that Type-0 sales are 90% PS4 and 10% XBO. That ratio is only going to grow because the PS4 is getting all of the other JRPGs (e.g. Nier 2, Star Ocean 5, Tales of Zestiria, Tales of Berseria, SAO: Lost Song, Yoru No Nai Kuni, etc.) while the XBO will not.

But. .. the cloud!? 

.... Well played, sir. Well played



I wasn't goina say anything BUT.... I think I need to.
The Situations.

Bayonetta 2:
- Was originally released released as a mature game on PS3 and 360, skipping Nintendo.
- People were dying for a sequel and it was announced
- Shockingly it was announced for the system that is mainly aimed at the opposing audience
- On top of that neither of the consoles that had the original were getting the sequel
- The backlash wasn't about Nintendo doing bad, it was about how stupid that was to the public
- Most people playing it likely didn't care for Wii U
That's ALL understandable, why they did it made sense when explained, though still not wise. The backlash made sense as well. If they started responding to backlash unprofessionally then they are in the wrong. They had to expect it with the choices made.

The Rise of Tomb Raider:
- Tomb Raider PS3 outsells 360 by more than half a mill that's fine
- They announce Rise of the Tomb Raider, as a Multiplatform title
- THEN announce a definitive edition of the 2013 Title for PS4 and Xbox One
- The PS4 version sells more than double the Xbox version
- Microsoft announces out of nowhere that it's a Xbox exclusive
- Later Square or CD reps had to clarify that it's timed
- NOTHING about that made sense
- The game was already well on it's way o PS4 and Xbox One and now loses it's bigger fanbase plus PC for this crap because Microsoft admittingly just wanted something to go against uncharted which doesn't matter anymore seeing the delay
- Microsoft saying they're help develop the game means nothing. If they threw mills at SE and CD that means they contributed to the games construction. Means nothing.

Street Fighter V:
- Street Fighter IV sold over a mill more on PS3
- Capcom from 2 years or so ago said they didn't have the resources to make a new Street Fighter
- Street Fighter 4 came to PS4 ONLY as a promotion for Street Fighter V
- They announced it as it was. An actual exclusive
- Sony is making the game with Capcom and are the reason it currently exists
- Sony despite making the game and having an exclusive iteration deal for V STILL giving PC it and letting it cross play

Last time I checked Windows is MS not Sony. Yet Sony is doing it better with it's exclusive deals lol

Big differences:
Nintendo's Backlash was fan frustration understandable, but Nintendo's not in the wrong.
Microsoft's Backlash was anti-gamer actions and taking away from PC and PS4 instead of gaining more for Xbox.
Sony's No Backlash was, a way more acceptable form of Nintendo's situation. PC still gets as well so dropping the weakest of the current series supported consoles isn't much of an issue. Also 2 of the playing platform choices still exist.



Azzanation said:
Mystro-Sama said:
Street Fighter V wouldn't have been made if Sony didn't step in since Capcom was on their face.


You honestly think Capcons biggest franchise wasnt going to be made anymore if Sony hadnt steped in? Come on now.

Capcom said themselves they didn't have the resources to make a next gen street fighter. 

http://gaminrealm.com/2013/10/20/capcom-cant-make-next-gen-fighter/



Azerth said:
Easy sony can do no wrong while ms can only do wrong.

And anyone who thinks street fighter (one of if not the most popular fighting game) wouldnt have been made is crazy

Capcom said themselves  it's not gonna be made...people really need to do some research on the topic.

http://gaminrealm.com/2013/10/20/capcom-cant-make-next-gen-fighter/

Edit: Someone beat me to it.



It's all business, plain and simple. This misconception that Sony, Microsoft, Square Enix, Capcom, or any other video game company really cares about anything but making money is just downright silly. Microsoft needed a franchise to compete with Uncharted this fall (before it got delayed). Square Enix was offered money for timed exclusivity which substantially reduces their risk. It's a win-win situation for the companies.

Sony needed an exclusive fighting game to compete with Killer Instinct on the Xbox One. So they paid Capcom to develop Street Fighter V on the PS4. Again, win-win situation for both companies.