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What is NX?

next Nintendo home console 70 39.11%
 
next Nintendo portable console 13 7.26%
 
next Nintendo 'fusion' console 49 27.37%
 
a platform, not a hardware 22 12.29%
 
this poll its a weird shit, see results 25 13.97%
 
Total:179
archer9234 said:
bunchanumbers said:
I'm betting its a home console. I also think that Nintendo will leave handheld gaming altogether after 3DS and use mobile game development to steer customers towards the NX console. The NX console will play both their mobile games and NX games. There is the 'fusion' concept and explains why they are secretive about it. Leaving the handheld business for mobile would kill all sales for N3DS.

It would kill all sales, in general. No one would be able to sell full $40 games on the platform.


I'm not so sure they will need to price it at $40. They could just as easily make some free to start games that get people hooked. Or offer in game purchases until the full game is unlocked at $30, or offer to unlock the full version for free with a purchase of the console version. There are options for it though. Plus being on hundreds of millions of devices at launch will go a long way towards evening out costs.



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Sharu said:

Its a lot of talks lately on gaming forums about NX will be ne next Nintendo home console and will launch in 2016. 

I think its a big misunderstanding of what Nintendo authoriries were saying.

1. I never saw Iwata saying NX is the console. He speaks of it as of platform.

When asked about Metroid Prime 4 on the Wii U, they said that if they started it now, it would make more sense as a NX project than a Wii U one.  This strongly implies that the NX is a replacement/successor  for the Wii U.  

2. They will explain it next year. Nintendo is a conservative company. So if they show new console, home or portable, next e3, they wont pull a dreamcast releasing it in 2016. They'll get it for 2017, gathering feedback from gamers and building relations with 3rd partys from scratch.

Probably not.  It simply doesn't make sense to start talking up the Wii U now if it's a holiday 2017 release.  They even mentioned it at the beginning of their conference, which does not indicate it's still over two years away.  Plus, considering the amount and scope of new titles announced at E3, it seems like Nintendo is diverting its resouces towards something else.  And, if they haven't already been working with third parties, that's a problem either way.

So I think their behavior will be following:

1. Next year they'll show the NX platform. Which will be not a console, but infrastructure + dev tools. (Think ios/android witĥ a focus on touch/motion controls, and 2 screen gaming possibility).

Platform can be an OS or something like that, but platform has also been used to describe consoles.  Iwata has referred to the NX as hardware

"Nintendo, together with DeNA, will jointly develop a new membership service which encompasses the existing Nintendo 3DS and Wii U systems, the new hardware system with a brand-new concept, NX, and smart devices and PCs, and Nintendo will be the primary party to operate this new membership service,"

2. Same year different date they'll anounce Fusion console which will be a hybryd between WiiU and 3ds, with games to be playable portative way and on a big screen, launching 2017.

The Wii U doesn't have two years of life left in it, and the 3DS certainly does not have two years left.  Nothing about the way Nintendo has been describing NX indicates it will be anything other than hardware.   If you mean the NX will literally be a 3DS/Wii U hybrid, then no.  The hardware of each simply wasn't designed with this in mind.

3. Qol platform is the escape plan. If gaming industry is less interesting for business, they need a way to jump from the ship before its too late.

Considering how little focus Nintendo has put on QOL, it seems doubtful Nintendo is planning on that for their future.  Everything we've heard seems to imply it is a side project.  

4. Mobile games will be a first nx software, then wiiu/3ds will be addid to it end of 2016. Also mobile games will be a possibility for Nintendo to use their brands/knowledge if/when gaming industry will start falling.

Thats my opinion on the situation, will add more soon, waiting for your comments!


Nah.  NX is going to be hardware.  No reason to think otherwise.

 

This image also suggests NX is a system in the same way Wii U and 3DS are.



Soundwave said:

I've said Nintendo should just let people choose what they want. Too much money/energy wasted in trying to dictate to people rather than offering them choice. If I don't want a purple sweater, stop trying to sell me a purple sweater, you're just wasting your time.

NX hardware = Mobile (as in smartphone/tablet sized) ARM + AMD system on chip. This SoC scales waaaay up and waaay down. Incorporates elements of the Wii U architecture.

From this you can have

NX Tablet = 400-500 GFLOPS, 7-inch LCD.

NX Handheld = 400-500 GFLOPS, 5-inch LCD, fold out design.

NX Family Console = 400-500 GFLOPS, super cheap (sub $200), comes with wacky new controller for family fun.

NX Pro Console = 3 TFLOP. Runs demanding games in 1080p, and even simpler games at 2K resolution. $349.99 MSRP.

If one model isn't selling great ... just phase it out. Most games run on all four devices.

I used to think the "Family Console" could be 1TFLOP, but now I'm thinking maybe they should just make it super cheap and let it act as a very cheap way for someone to get into the NX ecosystem on a whim, and then boom, now you have them stuck in your web, lol. 


I hope you don't actually think the NX would launch with that many form factors. What you talk about here is either a 10 year plan of hardware releases, or a disaster. No.

It'll launch with only the NXDS and the NX (what you call 'Pro') console at first. Then once those two have settled in for about a year or two, they might come out with a cheaper single-screen handheld for regions with a lower standard of living only cheaper games would be available on the system. Mostly VC and indie games. Don't see a "family console" happening at all. Nintendo doesn't simply make "wacky controllers" for the family. That's not their philosophy. If they're making a new gimmick, it'll be on every console because, in their heads, it'll benefit everyone.



So much debate on what the NX is! I'm personally just gonna wait until the official reveal.



spemanig said:
Soundwave said:

I've said Nintendo should just let people choose what they want. Too much money/energy wasted in trying to dictate to people rather than offering them choice. If I don't want a purple sweater, stop trying to sell me a purple sweater, you're just wasting your time.

NX hardware = Mobile (as in smartphone/tablet sized) ARM + AMD system on chip. This SoC scales waaaay up and waaay down. Incorporates elements of the Wii U architecture.

From this you can have

NX Tablet = 400-500 GFLOPS, 7-inch LCD.

NX Handheld = 400-500 GFLOPS, 5-inch LCD, fold out design.

NX Family Console = 400-500 GFLOPS, super cheap (sub $200), comes with wacky new controller for family fun.

NX Pro Console = 3 TFLOP. Runs demanding games in 1080p, and even simpler games at 2K resolution. $349.99 MSRP.

If one model isn't selling great ... just phase it out. Most games run on all four devices.

I used to think the "Family Console" could be 1TFLOP, but now I'm thinking maybe they should just make it super cheap and let it act as a very cheap way for someone to get into the NX ecosystem on a whim, and then boom, now you have them stuck in your web, lol. 


I hope you don't actually think the NX would launch with that many form factors. What you talk about here is either a 10 year plan of hardware releases, or a disaster. No.

It'll launch with only the NXDS and the NX (what you call 'Pro') console at first. Then once those two have settled in for about a year or two, they might come out with a cheaper single-screen handheld for regions with a lower standard of living only cheaper games would be available on the system. Mostly VC and indie games. Don't see a "family console" happening at all. Nintendo doesn't simply make "wacky controllers" for the family. That's not their philosophy. If they're making a new gimmick, it'll be on every console because, in their heads, it'll benefit everyone.

I would imagine it would be phased out over 18 months or so. 

"Wacky controller" comes with both console configs, pro variant would likely just also ship with a regular controller too. Wii was a "wacky controller for the family" though, lol. That's Nintendo's life and blood, they value the "family at play" concept, their entire business is based on something called the FAMICOM, heh. 

Not 10 years. I think we need to get out of this 1989 vein of thinking. The world has changed, consumers accept different form factors all the time, we're used to it today. It's not like the 80s where you bought one VCR and the damn thing better work for the next decade or else. That mentality is outdated. 

Today it's about choice. I want an iPhone 6 Plus, I like the bigger screen. My brother doesn't, he just wants the regular iPad. My friend has an Android phone, but Apple still gets his money because he has an iPad. His wife prefers the iPad mini. 

Consumers understand choice, it's not confusing to them. 

Also "different" at this stage may as well be good for Nintendo. The current setup for traditional hardware releases is not working for them at all, in fact it works against them. So change the rules. 



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Consumers really don't understand choice as much as anybody might think. They tend to gravitate towards the latest/most well advertised product. Only a small subset of consumers could be considered well informed. People are only okay with choice, and even then, that choice has to come with someone basically telling them what's best to get. Having a small circle that seems to at least represent the potentially well informed consumer subset does not mean everybody who wanders into Walmart looking to buy a piece of tech knows what's available, knows what they want, and won't be overwhelmed with choices if there's too much and it's too confusing.

Buying an iPhone? People just look for the latest number. Buying an Android phone? You just go to a phone stand, the person tells you "the Galaxy series is popular", and you end up getting a Galaxy S6. Now imagine that NX line. Everything will likely be named similarly because Nintendo can't seem to name a console anymore to save their lives. Let's return to the Wii/Wii U example of persistent consumer confusion. Now multiply that by seven. Suddenly people are gravitating towards the competition because the competition is clear cut. Even when people can understand options, they don't always like them. You may think consumers want choice, but what they really desire is someone giving them an obvious answer, that x product is assuredly better than y product.



 

LuckyTrouble said:
Consumers really don't understand choice as much as anybody might think. They tend to gravitate towards the latest/most well advertised product. Only a small subset of consumers could be considered well informed. People are only okay with choice, and even then, that choice has to come with someone basically telling them what's best to get. Having a small circle that seems to at least represent the potentially well informed consumer subset does not mean everybody who wanders into Walmart looking to buy a piece of tech knows what's available, knows what they want, and won't be overwhelmed with choices if there's too much and it's too confusing.

Buying an iPhone? People just look for the latest number. Buying an Android phone? You just go to a phone stand, the person tells you "the Galaxy series is popular", and you end up getting a Galaxy S6. Now imagine that NX line. Everything will likely be named similarly because Nintendo can't seem to name a console anymore to save their lives. Let's return to the Wii/Wii U example of persistent consumer confusion. Now multiply that by seven. Suddenly people are gravitating towards the competition because the competition is clear cut. Even when people can understand options, they don't always like them. You may think consumers want choice, but what they really desire is someone giving them an obvious answer, that x product is assuredly better than y product.

Well clearly you are talking about massively successful products. The iPhone. Samsung Galaxy. They dwarf the PS4 in sales. 

Consumers today are more savvy about electronics, electronics are not just appliances anymore, they are personal companions, almost like fashion statements. People want a device that tailors to their needs. Forcing everyone to have to buy one kind of console is a limited and IMO outdated concept. 

I don't want a console that only consumes 33 watts of electricity. That is about no.15 on my list of important things in a console. Yet Nintendo spent a ton of time/effort/money making sure the Wii U runs at that electical output, at the expense of hardware power and several other factors. 

I say ... enough with this nonsense. Let the consumer choose what they want. 

STEAM is a good example of this, STEAM is just the game ecosystem. You can choose whatever PC floats your boat. A laptop even, if that's what you want. IMO that's the future. Valve doesn't care, as long as you're buying games through their store -- it's all good. In a way STEAM probably represents the future moreso than even the PS4 does. 

You can't dictate and talk down to consumers about this stuff anymore or they will simply just take their business elsewhere. Even the mighty Apple, which has the greatest marketing machine behind them in the consumerism was losing momentum by forcing people to have no choice in the iPhone (one model, you buy it, no we won't make a bigger screen one). They finally offer choice, and voila, sales explode past records and now Samsung is on the defensive. 



Soundwave said:

I would imagine it would be phased out over 18 months or so. 

"Wacky controller" comes with both console configs, pro variant would likely just also ship with a regular controller too. Wii was a "wacky controller for the family" though, lol. That's Nintendo's life and blood, they value the "family at play" concept, their entire business is based on something called the FAMICOM, heh. 

Not 10 years. I think we need to get out of this 1989 vein of thinking. The world has changed, consumers accept different form factors all the time, we're used to it today. It's not like the 80s where you bought one VCR and the damn thing better work for the next decade or else. That mentality is outdated. 

Today it's about choice. I want an iPhone 6 Plus, I like the bigger screen. My brother doesn't, he just wants the regular iPad. My friend has an Android phone, but Apple still gets his money because he has an iPad. His wife prefers the iPad mini. 

Consumers understand choice, it's not confusing to them. 

Also "different" at this stage may as well be good for Nintendo. The current setup for traditional hardware releases is not working for them at all, in fact it works against them. So change the rules. 


Wii was "wacky controller for everyone." IT wasn't just a family console. That doesn't mean that is was a good core console, but it definitely wasn't positioned in Nintendo's mind as solely a console for the family.

Yes 10 years. I wasn't even alive in 89. I'm in no danger of falling for that vain of thinking. The idevices were rolled out slowly over the last decade. It didn't just start out like this. Apple did follow a 10-year-plan, so that point is moot.

Consumers understand all of Apples options because they were introduced to them slowely, one by one. Apple didn't bust out the gate with the ipod, iphone, itouch, AppleTV, Apple Watch, ipad, etc within a few short years. All these devices took over a decade to all come out, each getting a year or so to soak up the limelight. If Apple threw them all out at once, it would have been a disaster, because consumers would have been confused and overwhelmed.

It's not working for them because they're doing it wrong, not because it can't work for them. It's not working against them; they're working against it. With the NX, they'll work with it.



I'm not sure anymore.. so will just wait and see what it is next year



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Platina said:
I'm not sure anymore.. so will just wait and see what it is next year


Yeah, we'll look and see.