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Well, the game was about... 10% percent complete, I think, when they revealed it at E3 last year? They`re probably releasing some content later because it wasn`t ready. SP probably wasn`t a thing either at the time. I think some of it is a weird strategy they`re doing, but I suspect they`re still making some of the content they`re promising for later. That`s how I see it at least.



 

              

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midrange said:
The_Yoda said:
Attiq said:
Areym said:
"Opening the market to everyone including younger kids that have always wanted to play FPS but that have strict parents"

Alright, let's calm down. I get it, splatoon is new and exciting and people are enjoying but it isn't really doing much for the shooting genre. Kids have been playing shooters as early as freaking 8 for years, anybody that plays call of duty know that as well as I do. My cousin got call of duty modern warfare 1 when he was 10 or 11 (I was 14 at the time) and I can tell you that parents rarely, RARELY strict their kids from playing the CoD shooters types.

It seems a little overblown that Splatoon, despite higher sales (in Japan) than many nay-sayers expected, is somehow revolutionizing anything in the shooter genre, giving that it was released in a console which A) for all intents and purposes, has the lowest userbase of any current console (including the 3DS and even the freaking PSVita) and B) whose main consumers are already dedicated Nintendo fans, not casual parents and their kids.

Sorry to blow you out of the water but I am a strict parent and I don't let my kids play FPS's and I got Splatoon because I figured it was a good FPS that doesnt depict over the top violence. My kids have NEVER played CoD or Halo or Battlefield or any other FPS. I actually know quite a few people with kids that won't let them play FPS's and are looking at Splatoon with interest.

I'll chime in on this part too.  I didn't let my son play anything like that until he became a teen-ager.  He's 14 and I still won't let him play Bayonetta.

I hope you guys realize that a game being an fps does not make a game dark and gritty like CoD or Halo. Take Portal 2 (valve), destiny (activision) or the upcoming Overwatch (blizzard) as popular examples. Splatoon really should not be the first fps for a 14 year old interested in the fps genre considering there are other appropriate classics

It wasn't the first thing he played in the genre ( he really liked Portal 2), I said I didn't let him play any of those games until he became a teenager.  We have both COD games for the Wii U and he has little interest in those, Splatoon on the other hand he really likes. Again that was not the first shooter he played.  For a younger child I do feel Splatoon is more appropriate or maybe a Team Fortress 2 .  I realize I seem to be in the minority that realistic shooters are not appropriate for a young audience. To each their own, as each child is unique. I can't speak for other peoples children but mine gravitates toward the cartoony shooters (although he does like Borderlands 2).

Side question, have you played Splatoon?



The_Yoda said:
midrange said:

Well, they are adding content that should have been in the start to begin with. What Nintendo should have done is release the game at $20-$40 and $60 for a season pass (or as a legendary edition later on that adds in all the dlc like skyrim). There is no point in paying in full when you don't have the full game presented to you.

No, it is not often that cod gives out free maps, but then again there is no need for them to have to since they launch the game with around 15 maps. Same with the modes. Literally, the zombies mode in bo2 has 4 modes to enjoy in both local and online play, splatoon does not have that many modes in its entirety

Destiny is a game that trades the zombies mode for the ability to do raids with friends and trades the local play for a class system with distinct subclasses and skill trees, along with certain equipment, that is not present in call of duty. That is a game that should be $60. Halo 4 gives up the zombies mode, but otherwise contains a very good campaign that is somewhat lacking in call of duty. That is a game that should be $60. Splatoon is a game that gives up voice chat, customizable online matches, local multiplayer (aside from balloon popping), a zombies or raid features, and a number of maps and guns, for a colorful atmosphere, a squid form (that only makes you move faster and semi invisible), and paint instead of bullets. That does not sound like a game that should be $60.

Until all the FREE DLC is out you can't really draw comparisons to the number of maps and modes.  If it were paid DLC I would completely agree, not worth $60.  Do I miss voice chat ... not really, I rarely use it in other games as the majority of users are little kids that have to make noise constantly.  That said I still think (as I've expressed before) that it should have been an included option that was tied to the parental controlles of the user. I also think of it this way, this is the first entry in the series, I think it will catch up to the others in it's genre within a few releases where features are concerned.

If their is no need of more maps in COD games why do they make them? If there is no need then there should be no market.  I think Nintendo is trying to keep the game fresh and so they are dribbling out content. It is simialr to the way most of the other shooters do it only they charge you along the way to keep the game from getting stale. I'd guess if you bought all the available DLC you will end up paying $100+ for most of the other shooters out there where when it is all said and done you will get a smiliar amount of content from Splatoon as you did from the other games you mentioned at launch.

Ultimately value is determined by the person making the purchase, was it a good value or a poor one.  For me it is a decent value, for you not so much it sounds like. Kind of hard to make that determination though if you haven't played it.

I think this should be made clear. I am comparing splatoon (as it is now at $60) to other games (as they have launched at $60). When splatoon releases with all the free dlc, then I will compare them to games that have all the free dlc included. If it was just voice chat missing, then ok that wouldn't be so bad, but it is the combination of a poor local multiplayer, no voice chat, and no online custom matches (you know for friends to play with you) that suddenly starts to stack.

There is no need for more cod maps, but there is a desire. Without the dlc maps in cod, bo2 would still be a content packed game that should be $60 on launch. There is a need for splatoon to have more maps, since the amount they have now is pretty low (as claimed by most reviewers). Even if you don't buy any dlc for black ops 2, it is debatle that black ops 2 at launch still holds more content then splatoon after all the free dlc is added.

Value is determined by the purchaser, but price is not. You can enjoy an $80 pencil that has a bit more lead than a $2 pencil, but that does not mean that the $80 pencil is not overpriced



Attiq said:
midrange said:

I hope you guys realize that a game being an fps does not make a game dark and gritty like CoD or Halo. Take Portal 2 (valve), destiny (activision) or the upcoming Overwatch (blizzard) as popular examples. Splatoon really should not be the first fps for a 14 year old interested in the fps genre considering there are other appropriate classics


And I hope you realise what you might deem "appropriate" that I do not. This the beauty of us not all being clones of each other but instead we are individuals. I think that Splatoon is a perfect step for kids interested in FPS.

Well yes, not all games appeal to everyone, but you are flat out ignoring a genre of gaming and acting as if splatoon is the first game to have done things right. The games I listed are rated T or below, and I will also include timesplitters 2 and metroid prime trilogy (both are also rated T) as examples of games that can be enjoyed by everyone (I am enjoying metroid prime 2: echoes now actually). Splatoon may be good for a child, but metroid prime is literally one of the greatest games of all time, and it is rated T just like super smash bros brawl



midrange said:
Attiq said:


And I hope you realise what you might deem "appropriate" that I do not. This the beauty of us not all being clones of each other but instead we are individuals. I think that Splatoon is a perfect step for kids interested in FPS.

Well yes, not all games appeal to everyone, but you are flat out ignoring a genre of gaming and acting as if splatoon is the first game to have done things right. The games I listed are rated T or below, and I will also include timesplitters 2 and metroid prime trilogy (both are also rated T) as examples of games that can be enjoyed by everyone (I am enjoying metroid prime 2: echoes now actually). Splatoon may be good for a child, but metroid prime is literally one of the greatest games of all time, and it is rated T just like super smash bros brawl

Lol when my son was 8 Metroid Prime would have given him nightmares.  You ignored my question about having played Splatoon.  You may well ignore this one too: Do you have children?  I see you are 42, if you did have children would you have let them watch Nightmare on Elm Street when they were 8? What about a Porno? Some things are apporpriate at different ages and for different people. That is why we have a rating system. It is why most of the world has rating systems for various media.

I ignored it initially but I will not any longer, telling someone how to raise their chidren or what they should expose their children to is not very classy. Double so when you don't even know the child.  Notice neither of us said anything like  NO Children should play COD before they are teens. We were talking about our children.  If you haven't even played the game itself you have not even a leg to stand on when it comes to what a child should play, or if it is even a good introduction to the genere.



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Interesting idea, though early adopters will have lacking content then :/



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Platina said:
Interesting idea, though early adopters will have lacking content then :/


True, but the trade off is we get to level and get better gear vs those that wait for more content.



Maps and content should have ALWAYS been free and used to promote the original sale.



early adopters will always have to go back to the game because there more content.
later adopters will get the game with more content.

the only ones that wouldnt like are people that play the game in the first release days and never touch again(like reviwers?)



The_Yoda said:
yvanjean said:
Johnw1104 said:
"Nintendo has certaintly struck gold with their latest game Splatoon, Capturing the fun of FPS games without the violence."

There's certainly verbal violence in this apartment; I've lost my temper on occasion when some camping fool hiding under the ink pops up and splats me with a roller for the umpteenth time... Nothing makes me feel sillier than shouting angrily at a game about squid teenagers shooting ink on the floor. :D

But yeah, given how fun the game already is I have no problem with their approach (I kinda like it in fact). If the game felt incomplete and held back I'd not be ok with this, but it gives you something to look forward to as you enjoy what is already available.

I do wonder how much of this is strategy and how much is the result of having to release it early. Probably a bit of both.


That's exactly what's nagging me!! They had more then enough time to add more content to this game before release. If anything this game was delayed, it certaintly wasn't rushed. It's either a marketing strategy or most likely it was a very small team at Nintendo working on this game full time.  

Splatoon in my book doesn't deserve the same retail price has Mario Kart 8, Super Smash bros WiiU & Mario 3D world. Splatoon is more like a Captain Toad Treasure tracker effort. 

On the plus side, if this game sell a bunch of copies at full retail, you can expect more support from future DLC by Nintendo. Could be a win/win for everyone. I just know that i'm going to wait for a price drop or not bother with Splatoon. 

It is a Nintendo title do you honestly expect a price drop in the near future? If I were you I'd wait until August then when most of the "DLC" will have dropped, or buy it used.  It is a fun game, although it may be the death of my gamepad as there have been several times I nearly broke the controller over my knee (frustration with teammates or myself in ranked matches)

Well I mainly wanted to play the title with my 10 year old nephew... In order to play with him I would have to pick two games... which would cost $140 ($70 CAD) in Canada. He's super stoke to play it. While I on the other hand can't help but feel its a glorified demo game selling at full retail price. We both played the test fire and I wasn't impress. On the other my sister is super strict with what my nephew is allowed to play so this game would be is first foray into the FPS without the angering his mom. 

The game release with only 5 maps and is very limited with the 4 vs 4 (which is extremely unbalance if one player not doing anythign or quits). It's far from the FPS experience that you get from BF or COD. They have achieve the goal of making a new FPS experience. Kinda like playing Titanfall for the first time. Same old formula with a new twist. 

I'm sure the team working on Splatoon a multiplayer focus game could of release the game with more then 5 maps. This is why in my title i'm claiming that Nintendo is actually taking the DLC approach to Splatoon in order to keep the game exciting and renew interest on monthly basis. Would you release a gmae with 10 maps and add 5 dlc over time or release a with only 5 maps and release one new map with new game mode every single months for 10 months. It's actually not that bad of a system if that's what they intended to do. I just can't really believe that they only manage to have 5 maps ready for launch, I trully think this is deliberate approach by Nintendo. I just have a hard time with the full retail price.