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midrange said:
AlfredoTurkey said:


Expecting features in Splatoon that are in hard core FPS like Halo and COD is like expecting to be able to adjust the gear ratio of your cars in Mario Kart. This is a different game designed for a different audience. 


Sorry, but that is a bs statement and a bad analogy. Voice chat is not limited to genres and does not detract from a game but rather adds to it (similar to good menus, video game lobbies, and online play).


It's a perfect analogy and one that you obviously missed the first time I said it. This game is for kids first, adults and everyone else second. I am a parent of a 9 year old girl and as a parent, the worst thing that could be in this game is voice chat. I do NOT need 30 year old pedos calling my daughter a little slut, whore, bitch etc. Even if voice chat were in the game and you could mute it, that would mean she could unmute it. Not having it as an option means when she's playing, I don't have to sit next to her 24/7 like a hawk and worry about keeping her safe. From her perspective, she also doesn't have to feel like she is being babied by BEING watched 24/7. 

Nintendo thinks about parental concerns first, and that's exactly why there is no voice chat. As a parent, I appreciate that and will continue to buy their products. If you don't like that, COD, Battlefield and Halo are all out there for you to enjoy. 



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AlfredoTurkey said:
midrange said:


Sorry, but that is a bs statement and a bad analogy. Voice chat is not limited to genres and does not detract from a game but rather adds to it (similar to good menus, video game lobbies, and online play).


It's a perfect analogy and one that you obviously missed the first time I said it. This game is for kids first, adults and everyone else second. I am a parent of a 9 year old girl and as a parent, the worst thing that could be in this game is voice chat. I do NOT need 30 year old pedos calling my daughter a little slut, whore, bitch etc. Even if voice chat were in the game and you could mute it, that would mean she could unmute it. Not having it as an option means when she's playing, I don't have to sit next to her 24/7 like a hawk and worry about keeping her safe. From her perspective, she also doesn't have to feel like she is being babied by BEING watched 24/7. 

Nintendo thinks about parental concerns first, and that's exactly why there is no voice chat. As a parent, I appreciate that and will continue to buy their products. If you don't like that, COD, Battlefield and Halo are all out there for you to enjoy. 

I read your analogy, and it sucks. It is not an uncommon practice to expect a game to have the most basic of features such as online play, customizable local matches, and voice chat. That is like saying mario games can stilll be 8 bit games because we should not expect them to have the same level of technical detail as modern games

Hey, have you ever heard of parental controls along with a mute off button. There are tons of ways to deal with this issue and Nintendo is choosing the worst one. I also doubt your daughter would consciously turn off the mute button for strangers to call her a whore. She could however benefit from turning mute off to talk to her friends. Mute some people =/= mute everyone.

You are literally taking one extrenuous case and using it to ruin the potential this game has for everyone.

"If you don't like that, COD, Battlefield and Halo are all out there for you to enjoy. "

As a video game maker trying to make this game accesible to EVERYONE, this is the most ignorant stance to take



I like how gamers tell the devs what to do. Like they work there or they know the circumstances in which said game was developed. I wouldn't have said anything. Splatoon is a quality title. If you don't like some aspects of it, then don't buy it or go to school, get a degree in game design and make it better. I know I went a bit far here but sheesh, I'm tired of the complaints. It's a good game at least...play it.



midrange said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
midrange said:


Sorry, but that is a bs statement and a bad analogy. Voice chat is not limited to genres and does not detract from a game but rather adds to it (similar to good menus, video game lobbies, and online play).


It's a perfect analogy and one that you obviously missed the first time I said it. This game is for kids first, adults and everyone else second. I am a parent of a 9 year old girl and as a parent, the worst thing that could be in this game is voice chat. I do NOT need 30 year old pedos calling my daughter a little slut, whore, bitch etc. Even if voice chat were in the game and you could mute it, that would mean she could unmute it. Not having it as an option means when she's playing, I don't have to sit next to her 24/7 like a hawk and worry about keeping her safe. From her perspective, she also doesn't have to feel like she is being babied by BEING watched 24/7. 

Nintendo thinks about parental concerns first, and that's exactly why there is no voice chat. As a parent, I appreciate that and will continue to buy their products. If you don't like that, COD, Battlefield and Halo are all out there for you to enjoy. 

I read your analogy, and it sucks.


So you missed it a third time. Alright, I'll break it down for you so you can understand.

Mario Kart is a racing game designed for people who know nothing about racing. Because of this, they simplified the experience so all you do is pick car, race.

Splatoon is a FPS designed for kids. Because of this, they removed voice chat so they don't get harassed online.

When developing a game, you must first think about the target demograph. In this game, it's children. When you're developing a game for children, the most important thing that needs to happen is to take into consideration how safe your game is and how parents will perceive your game. If parents don't approve, guess what happens? You don't sell many copies. Voice chat is a feature that parents like myself (I.E. parents who actually CARE about what their child is playing) don't want. They know this... and that's why it's not in the game.

If you can't understand this simple, basic concept, then there's nothing left discuss.



Ljink96 said:
I like how gamers tell the devs what to do. Like they work there or they know the circumstances in which said game was developed. I wouldn't have said anything. Splatoon is a quality title. If you don't like some aspects of it, then don't buy it or go to school, get a degree in game design and make it better. I know I went a bit far here but sheesh, I'm tired of the complaints. It's a good game at least...play it.


Complaints are what help a company do better. Remember when steam wanted to sell mod packs, and they corrected themselves after people complained?

Personally I have grown tired of everyone saying that "splatoon will be the next biggest thing!" every 5 minutes, but I don't try to put anyone down, I just try to tell people why I think otherwise.

I know how difficult and complicated it is to program in a team on a large project. That being said, I am a wii u owner, and having invested $300 dollars on the console, I have a right to complain when Nintendo is not making decisions I like. I can't just "ignore" the title because there are very few other options that Nintendo has given me in this dumb drought



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AlfredoTurkey said:
midrange said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
midrange said:


Sorry, but that is a bs statement and a bad analogy. Voice chat is not limited to genres and does not detract from a game but rather adds to it (similar to good menus, video game lobbies, and online play).


It's a perfect analogy and one that you obviously missed the first time I said it. This game is for kids first, adults and everyone else second. I am a parent of a 9 year old girl and as a parent, the worst thing that could be in this game is voice chat. I do NOT need 30 year old pedos calling my daughter a little slut, whore, bitch etc. Even if voice chat were in the game and you could mute it, that would mean she could unmute it. Not having it as an option means when she's playing, I don't have to sit next to her 24/7 like a hawk and worry about keeping her safe. From her perspective, she also doesn't have to feel like she is being babied by BEING watched 24/7. 

Nintendo thinks about parental concerns first, and that's exactly why there is no voice chat. As a parent, I appreciate that and will continue to buy their products. If you don't like that, COD, Battlefield and Halo are all out there for you to enjoy. 

I read your analogy, and it sucks.


So you missed it a third time. Alright, I'll break it down for you so you can understand.

Mario Kart is a racing game designed for people who know nothing about racing. Because of this, they simplified the experience so all you do is pick car, race.

Splatoon is a FPS designed for kids. Because of this, they removed voice chat so they don't get harassed online.

When developing a game, you must first think about the target demograph. In this game, it's children. When you're developing a game for children, the most important thing that needs to happen is to take into consideration how safe your game is and how parents will perceive your game. If parents don't approve, guess what happens? You don't sell many copies. Voice chat is a feature that parents like myself (I.E. parents who actually CARE about what their child is playing) don't want. They know this... and that's why it's not in the game.

If you can't understand this simple, basic concept, then there's nothing left discuss.

Hey, lets also remove online play so kids dont gang up on another kid, and hey, lets not add quotes in mario kart because people will spam them and make others feel bad, or hey lets remove thunderclouds in this game because they are scary!

I get what you are trying to say, but see how pretty much any feature can be removed using this argument. What is wrong with having a mute option on default? are you afraid your daughter will repeatedly turn it on for strangers only to have others make her cry? What is wrong with adding extra parental controls in the game? Why do you have to flat out remove a feature that many enjoy and not work around the issues like many other developers do?



Ka-pi96 said:
They should have just said it wasn't ready or even nothing at all. This 'you'll play what we tell you to play' attitude is pretty horrible.


Yeah I definitely do not like the way they are handling content patches right now. If the content was already finished then it should have come out with the game at launch. They should have just stuck with the second point they gave, at least it seems to be more reasonable.



I can kind of understand why they chose to leavs out voice chat entirely, rather than include it and leave it disabled by default. If you have it turned off, and the enemy team is using it, youre at an instant disadvantage. With no voice chat at all its pretty much a level playing field.

Does the game have a decent pinging system? Without voice chat, I would think a game like this would need to have some form of quick, basic communication.



Well, not having voice chat in a game is not bad. Sometimes I prefer just to mute all the people or those pesk ones at least to be comfortable to play.



midrange said:
Ljink96 said:
I like how gamers tell the devs what to do. Like they work there or they know the circumstances in which said game was developed. I wouldn't have said anything. Splatoon is a quality title. If you don't like some aspects of it, then don't buy it or go to school, get a degree in game design and make it better. I know I went a bit far here but sheesh, I'm tired of the complaints. It's a good game at least...play it.


Complaints are what help a company do better. Remember when steam wanted to sell mod packs, and they corrected themselves after people complained?

Personally I have grown tired of everyone saying that "splatoon will be the next biggest thing!" every 5 minutes, but I don't try to put anyone down, I just try to tell people why I think otherwise.

I know how difficult and complicated it is to program in a team on a large project. That being said, I am a wii u owner, and having invested $300 dollars on the console, I have a right to complain when Nintendo is not making decisions I like. I can't just "ignore" the title because there are very few other options that Nintendo has given me in this dumb drought



Like many gamers, they usually don't know how game making works. It isn't easy whatsoever. If we could just understand that first and foremost. In addition to that, this is new ground that Nintendo is treading. They are new to this genre. And I'm not handing out Nintendo "FreePasses" like petty gamers think we are, it's just that this is something new for them and it's a great effort.

Secondly, Nintendo isn't STEAM. We can't compare the two because the development houses follow different philosophies and development styles. What works for STEAM necessarily won't automatically work for Nintendo.

Thirdly,I don't think Splatoon is the best thing ever. I just applaud Nintendo for making a new franchies in over what, 13 years? And it's a good quality title. I'm praising it for that reason. It isn't easy to be new and engaging. Especially when we are so stuck on not changing in the past few years in gaming.

If you feel that way about Wii U, get a PS4 or Xbox One to hold you over. Nobody is forcing you to only have a Wii U. There are plenty of titles on those consoles that are generally good. It takes time to make a game like this, some features can't be added in time for Nintendo to hit their mark. Delaying games usually isn't good practice, especially for a new IP. I feel that Nintendo handled this the best that they could. It's new, they need to test the waters, see how things go so that if there is a sequel, they'll know exactly what to do. Should Splatoon have released with a bit more content...maybe. Could it have had better online options...sure. But, we have to give credit where it is due. It's fresh, it's new, give it time.