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My guess is that Nintendo and Sony form a joint venture company and release a PS5tendo and 4GDSvita together with strong hardware, many exclusive AAA games and full 3rd party support.



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You make some very good points. Stronger Wii U would not have solved anything. The blue shell would have been in 1080p. That's it. 



I honestly would prefer them going with weaker hardware and a mass market friendly price, that's one of the problems with Wii U, it's priced like a high end device despite not being one.

A sub-$200 console that comes with an improved Wii remote and has a small power gap over Wii U similar to the gap between GC-Wii and has a unified architecture as the handheld that's priced the same is the way to go in my opinion.



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zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:

The GameCube kinda showed though that even at $99.99, Nintendo was easily being outsold by the PS2 and even the XBox.

So I'm not sure if simply having just a cheap system alone really is the be all, end all. The GameCube only got to 22 million, and it was $99.99 for like half of its life cycle.

My personal feeling -- don't make just one console. 

That's supposedly the whole point of the NX concept per speculation no? Multiple hardware lines that play the same ecosystem of software? Why not have multiple options then?

NX Tablet - Portable of course. 500 GFLOPS. 

NX Family Console - Classic Nintendo console, small form factor, 1 TFLOP processing power. New type of gimmicky controller (though not super expensive) Cheap $249.99 MSRP. 

NX Pro Console - Made more for the needs of the Western market. 3 TFLOP processor (this will be noticably better than a PS4). Larger console size. $349.99 MSRP. 

A game like Super Mario Galaxy 3 (hypothetical) could run at 960x540 with low effects and no anti-aliasing on the NX Tablet, but at 1920x1080 (full HD) resolution with higher end effects on the NX Pro Console. The NX Family Console (Famicom!) can run the game somewhere in between, 720p resolution with medium effects. 

GameCube was $99 competing against $149 consoles with better support and more multimedia features. This scenario would be a $99 Nintendo console vs $299-399 consoles so it's completely different.


To be honest though the XBox One will probably be $299.99 soon and Sony may then have to go down to $299.99 as well all at once. 

So in that context, lets say Nintendo has a "cheap-o" $149.99 console or something, I'm not sure it wouldn't have some of the similar problems the GameCube had. "Yeah it's cheap, but for a little more you can get an XBox or Playstation" type thing. 



In all honesty both would fail:

The NintendOUYA while great on paper will not garner much support. Nintendo can't prosper on first party games and that's a fact. A console which is substantionaly underpowered compared to the PS5 and NXB will barely have any indie support and that's what's practically keeping the WII U alive, minus first party games. No one will buy a console just for a couple of first party games ( See WII U as example ) apart from a couple of million people.

You're already listed why a PS4tendo would be a failure.



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The problem is as long as Microsoft is in the market (basically getting nowhere themselves) they hog up too much space for Nintendo to make a traditional style console. There just isn't room for three different consoles doing roughly the same thing.

Nintendo will pivot more towards being a IP brand I think in the next few years, where kids can get introduced to Mario/Zelda/etc. through movies, TV shows, theme park attractions, and smart phone games, and that hopefully broadens the pool for a new wave of kids willing to get into the Nintendo hardware ecosystem (NX). 



Ka-pi96 said:
freebs2 said:
Ka-pi96 said:
There's one pretty big flaw with your argument. The potential PS4tendo market may be smaller, but we know it's there. We've seen gamers buy powerful consoles with ample 3rd party support every single generation and all signs point to that trend continuing. The NintendOUYA potential market however is purely hypothetical. If such a market existed they would already be buying Wii Us, but they aren't. If you're entire argument is based on the price of the console then surely rather than making a new console that will have to be ridiculously underpowered to get that kind of price, wouldn't it be better to just keep the Wii U going for another gen and give it a hefty price cut?

The Wii market, the DS and 3DS market were hypotetical?

They aren't the same as the potential NintendOUYA market.

The Wii had motion controls which were hugely successful at the time and is what made the console successful, you've proposed nothing similar for NintendOUYA that would draw in the crowds the same way. The DS and 3DS are handhelds so have a completely different appeal than a home console would. Besides that, I don't recall any of them being as cheap and underpowered as you propose making the NintendOUYA. Maybe they became that way as the gen went on, but they didn't start out like that.

I said it to another user, a NintendoOUYA is an extermization, I'm not suggesting they should make a console like it but what I'm suggesting is Nintendo shouldn't go after AAA support with fancy hardware.

You say handleds have a completely different appeal than home consoles, that's correct and that's exactly what I am suggesting. If the appeal of PS and XB consoles is based on graphic fedelity and online capabilities, Nintendo should focus on alternative ways to appeal gamers (and this is not to be confused with hardware gimmicks), an alternative way to appeal is an alternative way to market your console: different strenghts, different weaknesses.



Hiku said:
freebs2 said:

1.) If I am a Playstation fan. A Ps4tendo may sound more interesting on paper, but then would I spend 399$ and renounce to buy my PS console for it? I don't think so. I love Uncharted and God Of War and I would never miss them to play Mario.

I'm in the other camp. I liked Uncharted 1, I loved Uncharted 2. I got burned out by the series and didn't play Uncharted 3 yet. God of War never caught my interest. I'd easily give up Sony's first party titles (the only others even worth mentioning to me are Gran Turismo and possibly the Last of Us. But I may skip thr next Gran Turismo as well.) in a heartbeat for Nintendo's.
It was never the first party titles that made PlayStation the success it is today. It was all the third party titles.

Than it would be so different to spend 399 to play 3rd party games and Sony games or 499 to play everything?



Ka-pi96 said:
freebs2 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

They aren't the same as the potential NintendOUYA market.

The Wii had motion controls which were hugely successful at the time and is what made the console successful, you've proposed nothing similar for NintendOUYA that would draw in the crowds the same way. The DS and 3DS are handhelds so have a completely different appeal than a home console would. Besides that, I don't recall any of them being as cheap and underpowered as you propose making the NintendOUYA. Maybe they became that way as the gen went on, but they didn't start out like that.

I said it to another user, a NintendoOUYA is an extermization, I'm not suggesting they should make a console like it but what I'm suggesting is Nintendo shouldn't go after AAA support with fancy hardware.

You say handleds have a completely different appeal than home consoles, that's correct and that's exactly what I am suggesting. If the appeal of PS and XB consoles is based on graphic fedelity and online capabilities, Nintendo should focus on alternative ways to appeal gamers (and this is not to be confused with hardware gimmicks), an alternative way to appeal is an alternative way to market your console: different strenghts, different weaknesses.

So what you're saying is they should just do another Wii U?

How? I said Nintendo should focus on making an accessible and affordable console, the WiiU is neither accessible or affordable.

In their intention they wanted to get 3rd party support while not alienating the cazuals and families market and, in they end, they failed at doing both things. The WiiU is a very bad and half-hearted attempt at doing a Ps4tendo. The WiiU did so bad, not beacuse they failed to follow a strategy, they didn't have a clear strategy to begin with.



Hiku said:
freebs2 said:

Than it would be so different to spend 399 to play 3rd party games and Sony games or 499 to play everything?

If the Nintendo Ouya was a thing, then playing everything would have been better for that price, yes.
Because I'm sitting here debating if $300 (actually $400+ counting Pro Controller and extra extrenal drive) just to play 5 games is worth it for me.
I was just saying if NintendoOuya was not a thing, and it was between PS4 and PS4Tendo, I'd go with the PS4Tendo, because I could easily give up Sony's 1st party titles in favor of Nintendo's.

This is fair enough, neither option would make everyone happy. I myself would choose a Ps4tendo over a NintendOUYA.

Just for clarity, when I hypothesize an NintendOUYA as an affordble and accessible console I mean you have everything you need to play for 99$.