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tak13 on 26 May 2015
DonFerrari said:
tak13 said:


Hahahahaahah people got that and come into really  bad conclusions!By your mind maybe but by science you can't and you shouldn't since it's not bad being homosexual(it's your nature) and acting on your impulses,while you don't hurt anyone,you have sexual intercourse with a  consenting adult!

Also you didn't use the whole phrase in the post  from wiki-paedophilia that I quoted,it says to refrain from acting on their impulses WHICH CAUSE HARM TO CHILDREN!But even if you can teach a gay to not to act on his impulse,Homosexual's impluses doesn't harm anyone(so why try to refrain him on acting on them?) and it's sexual orientation since you born but paedophilia mental disorder of sexual preference/interest  which emerges before or during puberty!Furthemore,you used the word crime in your comparison,while the quote from wiki says about mental disorder,so you did your extrapolation wrongly!Your phrase should be''We can teach a homo not to act on his impulse, so should homossexuality be considered a crime mental disorder''?Plus that Being paedophile,it's not a crime it's  a mental disorder not only because psychiatrists can prevent them from fulfiling their sexual desires but because  this particularity also damages the children,child rape which is a cause of paedophilia is the crime...

Wow people,read more carefully to understand rightly,the misguided extrapolations/comparisons(others with heterosexual/woman rape other with homosexuality) that some did with that post surprises me negatively!If you can't distinguish the differences...Then I'm sad!

That is because you are making a weak argument.

 

If both were considered the same on medical stand point them we should threat equaly. Besides science on that is ever changing.

 

Finally, you are  mixing cause and consequence. Someone can be pedo without acting and act without being.

 

Plus, a lot of homo would feel insulted by you saying it's a treatable disorder.

Edit!
REVOKE/APOLOGISE NOW I didn't say that,hahahahahahahahah you offended/slandered me....I said exactly the opposite,that it's natural and a sexual orientaton  and you put that words in my mouth,for god's sake please read,read my post better and interprete it rightly,you can't get that when my comment is defends/exculpates my beloved gays....



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Mr.Playstation on 26 May 2015
Dunban67 said:
regardless of a persons sexual orientation, how many of them go thru adulthood w out EVER acting on them? Vey few- so if a person is a pedofile the best thing they can do for society and themselves is voluntary castration (elimination of any desire) as to insure they never act out and destroy a childs life

Why would the question in this op ever need to be asked- it should be obvious to anyone other than those trying to justify it

Since we're becoming more open as a society, why can't we also accept people who are sexually attracted to children. Not making child abuse or lowering the legal age or whatever just accepting these people for having other sexual desires and not make them become almost afraid to seek help in today's society ( believe it or not this is how Pedophiles feel at the moment ). Also there are many people who have Pedophilia but do not act upon these desire, infact most don't.

 

P.s: Guys please try to keep out other sexual orientations from this, this is specifically focused on Pedophilia



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fluky-nintendy on 26 May 2015
Mr.Playstation said:
Dunban67 said:
regardless of a persons sexual orientation, how many of them go thru adulthood w out EVER acting on them? Vey few- so if a person is a pedofile the best thing they can do for society and themselves is voluntary castration (elimination of any desire) as to insure they never act out and destroy a childs life

Why would the question in this op ever need to be asked- it should be obvious to anyone other than those trying to justify it

Since we're becoming more open as a society, why can't we also accept people who are sexually attracted to children. Not making child abuse or lowering the legal age or whatever just accepting these people for having other sexual desires and not make them become almost afraid to seek help in today's society ( believe it or not this is how Pedophiles feel at the moment ). Also there are many people who have Pedophilia but do not act upon these desire, infact most don't.

 

P.s: Guys please try to keep out other sexual orientations from this, this is specifically focused on Pedophilia


Because since it involves children, that can't be a grey area like there's a grey area for homosexuality or being a transgender e.g.. The main focus MUST be protecting the children (not the abuser) at all cost from these abusers, period. As others stated here, people with pedophilia are most likely to lack empathy and won't care about protecting kids from their own desires.



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sundin13 on 26 May 2015
fluky-nintendy said:

Because since it involves children, that can't be a grey area like there's a grey area for homosexuality or being a transgender e.g.. The main focus MUST be protecting the children (not the abuser) at all cost from these abusers, period. As others stated here, people with pedophilia are most likely to lack empathy and won't care about protecting kids from their own desires.


First of all, we are talking about paedophillia as a level of attraction. We are not speaking about actual abuse. I don't believe anyone here is defending that.

Second of all, where the heck does the bold come from because I call Bullshit



Mr.Playstation on 26 May 2015
fluky-nintendy said:
Mr.Playstation said:

Since we're becoming more open as a society, why can't we also accept people who are sexually attracted to children. Not making child abuse or lowering the legal age or whatever just accepting these people for having other sexual desires and not make them become almost afraid to seek help in today's society ( believe it or not this is how Pedophiles feel at the moment ). Also there are many people who have Pedophilia but do not act upon these desire, infact most don't.

 

P.s: Guys please try to keep out other sexual orientations from this, this is specifically focused on Pedophilia


Because since it involves children, that can't be a grey area like there's a grey area for homosexuality or being a transgender e.g.. The main focus MUST be protecting the children (not the abuser) at all cost from these abusers, period. As others stated here, people with pedophilia are most likely to lack empathy and won't care about protecting kids from their own desires.

Of course we should protect the children but people with pedophilia shouldn't need to feel afraid, even to seek help. What they have is a sexual orientation which is very different from what is considered the norm, and while it is considered to be dangeroes they shouldn't be seperated from society. Most people discussing it here are very mature, though it isn't unlikely to find someone both out of this site and irl who say "Death to all pedophiles". At the end of the day their human too.



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fluky-nintendy on 26 May 2015
sundin13 said:
fluky-nintendy said:

Because since it involves children, that can't be a grey area like there's a grey area for homosexuality or being a transgender e.g.. The main focus MUST be protecting the children (not the abuser) at all cost from these abusers, period. As others stated here, people with pedophilia are most likely to lack empathy and won't care about protecting kids from their own desires.


First of all, we are talking about paedophillia as a level of attraction. We are not speaking about actual abuse. I don't believe anyone here is defending that.

Second of all, where the heck does the bold come from because I call Bullshit

paedophillia?

And besides how do you spot a pedophile without being an abuser already? It's not like, with the scrutiny that exist, a pedophile will come out as one like it is nothing, no. One is recognized when he or she already committed the criminal act. The bold part means that anyone who abuses children lacks empathy, simple as that, what else can I add, you don't understand that basic word?



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tak13 on 26 May 2015
ArchangelMadzz said:
tak13 said:


You don't rape because you're straight....People you can't fathom the difference?It's not a cause of your sexuality,you will burn my mind today!:P


And people don't rape because their pedophiles. People rape because they put their desire above anyone else, feel the need for power and are just general scum. That doesn't exclude between pedophillia and heterosexuality. 


What's happening today and some people don't get rightly what I claim,of course some pedophiles can control theirself but if they rape a child it will because of being paedophile,only a paedophile has these desires about a child but if a heterosexual rapes a woman it won't be because he is heterosexual,it doesn't derive from his sexuality, but might be mentally disordered or having other problems(drugs,intoxication,anger,socioeconomic e.t.c...Can you distinguish the difference?



fluky-nintendy on 26 May 2015
Mr.Playstation said:
fluky-nintendy said:


Because since it involves children, that can't be a grey area like there's a grey area for homosexuality or being a transgender e.g.. The main focus MUST be protecting the children (not the abuser) at all cost from these abusers, period. As others stated here, people with pedophilia are most likely to lack empathy and won't care about protecting kids from their own desires.

Of course we should protect the children but people with pedophilia shouldn't need to feel afraid, even to seek help. What they have is a sexual orientation which is very different from what is considered the norm, and while it is considered to be dangeroes they shouldn't be seperated from society. Most people discussing it here are very mature, though it isn't unlikely to find someone both out of this site and irl who say "Death to all pedophiles". At the end of the day their human too.

I understand your point from the beginning. You want them to live in society like normal people, I get that. But I think in this case there isn't a gray area where you can protect both. The focus must be protecting the weak first. How can pedophiles be protected? Only if it's the castration process, I really see no other solution to someone with the disorder to live in peace in society, unless of course he/she won't become an abuser (in that case it's not possible to be spotted anyway if the crime never existed). I am aware that are people with the disorder (it's on the DSM-5) that seek help and never really commit to the behaviors.



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sundin13 on 26 May 2015
fluky-nintendy said:

paedophillia?

And besides how do you spot a pedophile without being an abuser already? It's not like, with the scrutiny that exist, a pedophile will come out as one like it is nothing, no. One is recognized when he or she already committed the criminal act. The bold part means that anyone who abuses children lacks empathy, simple as that, what else can I add, you don't understand that basic word?


Yes, paedophillia, as the name implies, is attraction to children. It does not imply any past, present or future abuses.

The means of "identification" is mostly self admission.

The problem that I had with the bold part is that it sounded like you were saying that those who possess an attraction to children lack empathy (due to the misuse of the word "paedophile") which I don't believe is backed by any evidence whatsoever. As for your claim that those who act on these urges lack empathy, I don't believe that is always the case and I am not aware of any evidence stating that is always the case (of course not to say that they are perfectly mentally sound).



tak13 on 26 May 2015
AnthonyW86 said:
tak13 said:
Mr.Playstation said:

First of all when mentioning pedophilia we're only referring to the act of an Adult being attracted to young children or prepubescent children ( mainly 11 years or younger ) not the actual act of abusing a child.

 

With this said, why does society on a whole see pedophilia as a mental disorder, rather than as a sexual orientation. The best reaction a person who's sexual orientation is pedophilia can have is to seek help, while the worst is that of being publically shamed even though the only crime this Adult person has committed is of being born in such a way that he is attracted to children.

 

Sure it shouldn't become legal but the negative stigma for this sexual orientation is pretty huge, when a person can't help himself since he was born this way.

 

Do you agree that society looks down too much on Pedophilia?

Is this hate justified? ( We're talking about the attraction to children not child abuse done by a person suffering from pedophilia )

Overall what do you think on Pedophilia ( The attraction not the act of child abuse )?

 

Disclaimer: Respect others people's opinion on the matter, therefore discuss the subject at hand like an adult and don't start calling other users names, if they have a different opinion from yours.

 

 

I'll post my opinion later but here is why it's mental disorder:

Development and sexual orientation

Pedophilia emerges before or during puberty, and is stable over time.[44] It is self-discovered, not chosen.[5] For these reasons, pedophilia has been described as a disorder of sexual preference, phenomenologically similar to a heterosexual or homosexual sexual orientation.[44] These observations, however, do not exclude pedophilia from the group of mental disorders because pedophilic acts cause harm, and pedophiles can sometimes be helped by mental health professionals to refrain from acting on their impulses which cause harm to children.[45]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia


I think that sums it up clearly. It however also shows why creating hate towards pedophilia is actually dangerous. It might keep people from getting help because they are to frightend to admit it. Witch would actually increase the risk of that person turning to pedosexual acts someday.

It's time for my opinion!I agree with you,also I hate seeing death penalnty suggestion from people even when the paedophile has commited the child rape,if that was his option I would punch the paedophile but they don't want it,although child rape it's abominable but still I can't hate them,paedophile should ask for help,a  psychiatrist can refrain from acting on their impulses because it harms children,I can't deny that it doesn't exasperate me when a paedophile commits child rape tough!I'm also disagreeing with imprisoment,you imprison someone that does something consciously to be render wised,but if you put a paedophile in jail it doesn't change anything(so mental institution is the right thing),he will still have these disires,unless he is getting  psychiatric monitoring!Do you know,if they get?