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DonFerrari on 25 May 2015
ArchangelMadzz said:
DonFerrari said:


You don't intend to get addict but try a very addictive substance... and you want to call that an accident that the person should be able to ammend right?

Seems like some people here want a life without consequences, where you can screw as much as you want and everything is fine... even in this site if you go against the rules (that are pretty restrict and what we do have no impact in RL) you get punished, but you want people to have unsafe sex, use drugs and call all that accidents?


I don't know how many times I have to say this but......  People are stupid, they always think 'oh i'll just try this once and i'll be fine I wont be one of those people' or do you just not know much about the world?

And I'm sure being addicted to heroin and doing whatever untold damage to yourself and everyone around you is a consequence it's up to us a HUMANS to make sure they get the help they need to become productive members of society and contribute like the rest of us.

 

Meh fuck it, that's too hard, throw them into a hell whole for 5 years and see them come out an even more damaged human being and laugh because we're so much better than them...

Wow. 

Have I said that we should lock them up or anything??? I just contraposed your argument that they didn't want to get addict, or that if they screw up it's other people bussiness to salvage the person.

Yep I'm in favour of legalizing drugs, and helding every idiot that uses it accountable... like you had an accident and uses drugs, no public service for you. You caused an accident, you'll pay for it dearly etc... you were an imbecile that used once for curiosity and got dragged, ok we will help you out to get clean.

What that have to do with "owww it was an accident, he shouldn't have to suffer the consequences" is ridiculous.



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ArchangelMadzz on 25 May 2015
the-pi-guy said:
DJEVOLVE said:

It's a ZYGOTE, not a baby. Seems that people who want to control woman can't understand science, like at all.

1.) I argued that a zygote has the potential for life, which means something.  

2.) Not everyone that is against abortion is a man.  My girlfriend is even more die hard about this issue than I am.  

3.) I'm not a fan of big government.  


Potential for life? Every sex cell is a potential for life, every sperm cell is the potential for life. The FBI doesn't burst into the room of a 13 year old fantasising about his gym teacher and accuse him of mass murder of 'potential life'. 

It only matters once it IS life, which is around 24 weeks into pregnancy when it can survive on it's own.



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eva01beserk on 25 May 2015
DonFerrari said:
eva01beserk said:

If you read my example again, what would you regret more?

Terminating a fetus that is very early on the process, before you get to attach to it?

Or waiting the 9 months, waiting to finally give brth to it and seeing that baby's face for the first time, holding it in your arms then inmediatly giving it away, while all throughout the preegnancy thinking if you should really give it away, how you could keep it and all that?

Always keep in mind, that, most mothers when they say that they are giving away the kid all through out the pregnancy, get all the feeling right when the baby is born and is then that they usually change their mind. Think about the episode of friends when phoebee gives the triplets way. That is actually how most cases go, the feeling anyways, a lot of mothers change their minds.

Murder is and should always be bigger regret than choosing to give away... it's obvious and hormonal that you will grow more attached during pregnancy... the beuty is that at any moment you can decide not to give away anymore, but when you terminate you loose that choice... and several women have became sterile after abortion due to several reasons, so that is even more reason to regret.

And I'm atheist so I have no believe of soul or following gospel, but for me is still people trying the easier way out (and that said, for rape I still agree it should be allowed to terminate for all the serious implications, but as also explaiined before you usually takes pills to prevent pregnancy in those cases, but in the odd case it didn't happened ok).

I see no valid reason to keep criminals alive and kill fetus in the same mindset... for me is the opposite, one had opportunities and screwed up (ok sometimes he didn't had much choice) the other is being refused it... as most pro-life says, if you were aborted you wouldn't be here, so you have no say in asking other babies to be killed.

Thats if you consider it murder. But this fetus is not alive yet. You are depriving a future kid a life, but thats almost the same as saying masturbation is mass murder cuz it could had been a million babys.

The entire human nature is finding the easy way out on life. Does not mean that you have to face either the easy way or the hard way, if its a choice not harming anyone else, then by all means I will choose the easy way out.



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ArchangelMadzz on 25 May 2015
DonFerrari said:
ArchangelMadzz said:


I don't know how many times I have to say this but......  People are stupid, they always think 'oh i'll just try this once and i'll be fine I wont be one of those people' or do you just not know much about the world?

And I'm sure being addicted to heroin and doing whatever untold damage to yourself and everyone around you is a consequence it's up to us a HUMANS to make sure they get the help they need to become productive members of society and contribute like the rest of us.

 

Meh fuck it, that's too hard, throw them into a hell whole for 5 years and see them come out an even more damaged human being and laugh because we're so much better than them...

Wow. 

Have I said that we should lock them up or anything??? I just contraposed your argument that they didn't want to get addict, or that if they screw up it's other people bussiness to salvage the person.

Yep I'm in favour of legalizing drugs, and helding every idiot that uses it accountable... like you had an accident and uses drugs, no public service for you. You caused an accident, you'll pay for it dearly etc... you were an imbecile that used once for curiosity and got dragged, ok we will help you out to get clean.

What that have to do with "owww it was an accident, he shouldn't have to suffer the consequences" is ridiculous.

If I say we shouldn't lock them up and you come back with some crap about punishment and them choosing to get addicted or something then of course I'm going to think that.

I never said they shouldn't suffer the consequences.. 



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DJEVOLVE on 25 May 2015
the-pi-guy said:
DJEVOLVE said:

It's a ZYGOTE, not a baby. Seems that people who want to control woman can't understand science, like at all.

1.) I argued that a zygote has the potential for life, which means something.  

2.) Not everyone that is against abortion is a man.  My girlfriend is even more die hard about this issue than I am.  

3.) I'm not a fan of big government.  


You are a big fan of big government, you want big government to impose it's will on people. Sorry buddy your  big government. I bet if I dug into your views, it would only get worse, this happens all the time with conservative's. It's just a talking point, you don't actually think they practice it do you. LOL



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sundin13 on 25 May 2015
pepharytheworm said:
Nothing more hilarious then hearing a bunch of males opinions on human bodily function they can't perform. Want to talk about your thoughts on public breastfeeding and menstruation too?

Also in case people were wondering, women being charged for a miscarriage is called feticide. One woman has been jailed in Indiana, there are several other cases of women being charged and Mississsippi is trying to create new laws to prosecute feticides.


Why should males not be allowed to speak about these issues?

DJEVOLVE said:
This thread is full of Fanatics, Go join a religious oppressive group and be done with it. I'm out of here. Have fun explaining this to closed minded people who want to control every single aspect of a woman's life. Since you know better than them and want to impose big government to get your way. PEACE! By the way, the percentage of people that want to control woman is a minority and shrinking everyday. In 20 years, you will be but a sliver of industrial nations and thank the fonz for that.

 

Humorously enough, you are the one using the most inflammatory language and using ridiculous hyperbole in phrases like "want to control every single aspect of a woman's life".

You are the one who seems to have a tough time understanding other's viewpoints and holding a civil discussion

SanAndreasX said:

Let's look at the investment here of each party, shall we?

The woman is obligated to give up her internal organs for 9 months to grow this baby. She assumes ALL the risks/discomforts involved.

The man's biological involvement lasts from the time he sticks his penis in until the time he splooges. That's all of 5-25 minutes. He has minimal risk and discomfort involved.

That is why the man doesn't have a say.


Sure, if you want to ignore all emotional issues involved with the topic of abortion.

I don't think anyone is saying that men should have the final say, but I think that they should be centrally involved in the discussion.

DJEVOLVE said:

My only question is why all these big government life people hate Woman?


Ease back on the hyperbole...you are only making yourself look ridiculous (even moreso if you are actually serious)



SanAndreasX on 25 May 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
SanAndreasX said:


Let's look at the investment here of each party, shall we?

The woman is obligated to give up her internal organs for 9 months to grow this baby. She assumes ALL the risks/discomforts involved.

The man's biological involvement lasts from the time he sticks his penis in until the time he splooges. That's all of 5-25 minutes. He has minimal risk and discomfort involved.

That is why the man doesn't have a say.

So it's wrong for men to care about their children?

Additionally, what if it's the other way around? What if it's the woman that wants to keep the child but the man that wants the abortion? Then by keeping the child the woman is forcing the man in to making a huge financial investment, so in that case the investment argument isn't solely in the woman's favour.


Sorry, but when your biological involvement is 5-25 minutes with no medical risk, compared to 9 months will 100% of the medical risk for the other party, you don't exactly have a strong leg to stand on. The man wasn't "forced" in either situation.  Medical risk trumps financial risk in this case.



DonFerrari on 25 May 2015
eva01beserk said:
DonFerrari said:


You don't intend to get addict but try a very addictive substance... and you want to call that an accident that the person should be able to ammend right?

Seems like some people here want a life without consequences, where you can screw as much as you want and everything is fine... even in this site if you go against the rules (that are pretty restrict and what we do have no impact in RL) you get punished, but you want people to have unsafe sex, use drugs and call all that accidents?

Dont think anybody ever claim that.  There should always be consequenses. But there are thigs that are out of our hands, even using protection pregnancy can happen. Driving safely can also involve you on an accident. A war will still kille inocent civilians. But if there is a chance some thiings can be avoided and we can learn from our mistakes withought sufering cripeling consequenses then thats fine too.

Agree with you in all 3 cases.

On the first, a child is not a disease nor the end of the world so there is no necessity to kill it because contraception didn't work (and several times it was badly done or absent but the person won't accept the guilty... but in the case of my family I was born from a 2 days without pill, but brother was from intra-uterin dispositve we call DIU in brazil, my niece from clipped tromps, etc... none were aborted), all very happy and functional.

2. if you drive safely it's accident, if you are imprudent it isn't.

3. Yes, unfortunately sometimes the idiocity of others bring harms to inocent (like aborting, use of drugs that affect others because of accident drug war, etc)

I still can't see how crippling a real conception is... if someone says having 10 child is problematic, I'll agree, but the option was to abort 10? If you have no parents and still got pregnant and claim no support, well there were several issues before the pregnancy itself.



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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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ArchangelMadzz on 25 May 2015
the-pi-guy said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Potential for life? Every sex cell is a potential for life, every sperm cell is the potential for life. The FBI doesn't burst into the room of a 13 year old fantasising about his gym teacher and accuse him of mass murder of 'potential life'. 

It only matters once it IS life, which is around 24 weeks into pregnancy when it can survive on it's own.

A sperm doesn't have potential for life by itself.

Same with the egg.  By themselves they can't become life under any circumstance unless they meet.   

A fetus does have that ability.

It still have the potential. Potential literally means "having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future." a sperm cell is that.

And even if you ignore the definition, having the potential for life as I said doesn't matter, it matters once it IS life, which is around 24 weeks into pregnancy when it can survive on it's on.

I felt the need to post that again incase you didn't read it.



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SanAndreasX on 25 May 2015
the-pi-guy said:
SanAndreasX said:

Sorry, but when your biological involvement is 5-25 minutes with no medical risk, compared to 9 months will 100% of the medical risk for the other party, you don't exactly have a strong leg to stand on. The man wasn't "forced" in either situation.  Medical risk trumps financial risk in this case.

This isn't a man vs woman topic.  

Some woman are very against abortion as well.  

My point still stands.