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Thoughts?

I hate them a bit :) 44 16.79%
 
I hate them a lot :D 36 13.74%
 
Nah, just a bunch of liars 66 25.19%
 
Project Liar 115 43.89%
 
Total:261

These guys shot themselves in the foot here, they should've known that the Wii U isn't worth bothering with...

 

... :P



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PwerlvlAmy said:
ian's dickness doesnt stop there, he posted this in response to a wii u owner

Originally Posted by Ian Bell View Post
You won't hear this elsewhere, but in the industry we call you 'The 2%'.

You represent 2% of the purchases but create 98% of the hassle for developers by well, just what you've stated above. Going on channels to tell everyone 'don't buy this game!!' because you have some personal grief.


Honestly, if your followers are like minded people we could chop a good chunk off of that 2% in one fell swoop. You'd be doing us a great favour.

Wow...that's one heck of a way to talk to a potential consumer base. I was actually willing to give the dev the benefit of the doubt here, but after comments like that, I can honestly say that I'm not that sympathetic.



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padib said:
pokoko said:

Certainly not the first, as I care nothing about Bayonetta, but I did not think it was smart.  I don't think this is smart, either, though it's nowhere near the same level.  This probably won't hurt them much at all, to be honest.  Sure, this guy was saying he won't but it on his PS4 because of the Wii U situation, but--even assuming he's not lying about having a PS4--I can't see many others doing the same thing.

In all situations fans are very silly, but in this case you have to admit that this was crowdfunded and is not the same as nagging by over-entitled fans.

If this were funded by something like Kickstarter, your point would probably be much more clear, but I'm honestly not sure how this translates with the whole investment approach.  Isn't everyone going to get their money back?  I will admit, I really need to know more about it before forming a concrete opinion.

As for crowdfunding itself, I think it's both good and bad.  The bad, which we're seeing now, is how developers have to limit themselves to goals and promises made in PRE-PLANNING, which is really crazy when you think about it.  If Project CARS had been funded in the traditional way, we probably never would have heard about a Wii U version to begin with.  It certainly isn't a perfect solution from the developer perspective.



padib said:
pokoko said:

If this were funded by something like Kickstarter, your point would probably be much more clear, but I'm honestly not sure how this translates with the whole investment approach.  Isn't everyone going to get their money back?  I will admit, I really need to know more about it before forming a concrete opinion.

As for crowdfunding itself, I think it's both good and bad.  The bad, which we're seeing now, is how developers have to limit themselves to goals and promises made in PRE-PLANNING, which is really crazy when you think about it.  If Project CARS had been funded in the traditional way, we probably never would have heard about a Wii U version to begin with.  It certainly isn't a perfect solution from the developer perspective.

That's always a good way to go about it, knowledge is power.

About crowdfunding, in the case of Project Cars, honestly were it not for crowdfunding I doubt this would have taken off at all. Also I remember early figures showing how important the project was for WiiU owners, proportionately speaking (I think it had to do with the fact that Sony has GT and MS has Forza, while Ninty has nothing for that racing simulator genre).

I understand that it probably wouldn't have been made but ... well, let me frame this a bit better.  We all know the big positive about crowdfunding; namely, that games publishers don't want to invest in can still have a chance at being released.  This is awesome, especially in a time when some of the largest publishers are only interested in potential blockbusters.

The big negative, though, as I see it, is that developers have to put up a plan in the very early stages of development that they cannot easily change without making people angry, even when changing plans is a very organic part of game development.  Imagine an author posting an outline for a new book, before they start writing, that they aren't allowed to deviate from, even if the story in their head leaps and grows beyond the original conception.

This is the very reason why more and more publishers and developers are waiting until close to release to announce anything.  Look at Borderlands, a game that completely changed its art-style during development.  If it had been crowdfunded, I have no doubt that some people would have been angry at such a drastic departure from the original vision.  Then there was that Renegade Kid kickstarter, where they realized that the game they wanted to make would not work on the DS.

It's not like these people want to lie, they just find a direction, over the course of time, that they think will result in a superior game.  With Project CARS, for example, the thing that really killed the Wii U version is the cancelation of the PS3/360 versions.  That made the Wii U version, by default, the "worst version".  

Changing plans is natural.  The way crowdfunding from very early in development can limit change, I'm sure is a restriction that a lot of developers have to see as a very unfortunate trade-off.



They might as well cancel it. I dont want those SHITTY developers making games on the Wii U.



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Can't these devs be held accountable legally since the Wii U version was an option on the indiegogo kickstarter right?

After they said the there would no longer be a release on PS3/360 it was sign that the PowerPC build was endanger of being dropped altogether, but still it would have been interesting to see how it compared to X86 as I read that it is not really well optimized on PS4/Xbox1 either.



Response to someone saying they arent buying Project Cars anymore

''Oh please do. We really don't want people like you buying our games. ''

someone asked for people to be civil about the situation and he responds

''Hey, it's not your doing Robbo.

We win both ways. He might manage to deter some more of the lunatic fringe with his efforts, but at the same time he'll bring our game to the forefront of the minds of others.

Fill your boots I say. ''

Then another person made a long thoughout post,which didnt have any insults in it and he responded with

''Yup, and if you need to pass this on, we really dislike Nintendo users. ''

list goes on and on really. honestly I don't see anyway to legit justify this guys actions as the head of the studio



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It is pretty sad. They got funded for this, i dont see why they must whine because they got to cut back on some areas. We all know the Wii U isnt a top end PC and they knew the specs since the start. Its cowardly to back out now and disappoint the people that helped make the game a reality.
SMS should be very ashamed for their incompetence and should be issuing a formal apology.



So, now we see the lies of 3rd parties... So now we know who to blame.

Its NINTENDO of course! )))



pokoko said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
ian's dickness doesnt stop there, he posted this in response to a wii u owner

Originally Posted by Ian Bell View Post
You won't hear this elsewhere, but in the industry we call you 'The 2%'.

You represent 2% of the purchases but create 98% of the hassle for developers by well, just what you've stated above. Going on channels to tell everyone 'don't buy this game!!' because you have some personal grief.


Honestly, if your followers are like minded people we could chop a good chunk off of that 2% in one fell swoop. You'd be doing us a great favour.

What's the problem?  He's probably right.  

Also, why not paste the post he was replying to so people could have context?  At least insert the source.  He's replying to someone insulting him and threatening to take to youtube in order to bring about some kind of boycott, not to mention they're using the ignorant and insipid "lazy dev" argument.

Sure, he could say it in a more PR-friendly way, but it wasn't so long ago that people were applauding the guy from Platinum for being much more rude, so I guess this is tame in comparison.

Platinum won twitter, they responded rude to stupid questions(they were totaly clear that nintento payed for the game and noone else wanted to pay for it)

this guy on the other hand had a big mouth earlyer and is getting rude when people call him out.

thats not the same...