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Daddo Splat said:
15 million PS2 sold compared to 10 miliion 7 hundred thousand just over 4 million more PS2 sold worldwide then PS3 since PS3 launch PONED by thier own console go PS2.

the wii sold almost 22 million so its diffinetly teabagging the PS2! by 7 Million in the same time

 Wrong, see my post with PS3 vs PS2 numbers above. The PS3 had different launch dates... still lost but not by that much and only lost is NA.



PSN ID: krik

Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M

 

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azrm2k said:
Wow.... I did not expect a Sony fan would point out how a more expensive console is being outsold by a far cheaper console.

 I posted PS3 vs PS2 too (above) and as you can see the difference is much smaller while the price difference is much bigger. Price is not everything my friend.



PSN ID: krik

Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M

 

Sqrl said:
krik said:
kasillas88 said:
What about Ps2 vs. Ps3? Hows that going?

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Jan 2008 to 08th Mar 2008:


ConsolePS3PS2
Total
1,903,180
1,352,926

Total from PS3's launch (region tables bellow):

Total PS2 = 12,181,279

Total PS3 = 10,736,384

At least it's not as bad as the 360. It's actually pretty good if we consider it launched at $500-600 and that mistake cost Sony lots of unit sales until way past mid-2007

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 11th Nov 2006 to 08th Mar 2008:


ConsolePS3PS2
Japan
1,973,943
1,176,052

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 18th Nov 2006 to 08th Mar 2008:


ConsolePS3PS2
America
4,249,855
7,087,195

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 24th Mar 2007 to 08th Mar 2008:


ConsolePS3PS2
Total Others
4,512,586
3,918,032

 

 

 


 From the launch of the PS3:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Total
22,400,908
10,768,188
12,289,179
14,666,160

I don't think there is any console that has continued to be outsold by its successor past its release for so long, painting this in the light of the PS2's success against the 360 is an interesting spin but it raises just as many questions as the PS3s struggle to keep up as well.

I did like how you tried to put the spin on it that over the past 8 weeks things have been different though.  But really the point is that since the PS3s launch its lost ground on its predecessor just like the 360. You're basically saying well look if we look at the longterm the 360 did bad....and if we look at this period where the PS3 has done well and the 360 has slowed down etc...etc...why not take this comparison to the middle of last year when the 360 was blazing and the PS3 was slowing down??

I really do like this comparisons to be honest because it is interesting, but please if you're going to do them try to portray them in an open and honest light rather than showing the 360 comparison for the long term then switching to a more favorable short term comparison when the PS3 is brought in. Your last post was set up from start to finish to highlight what you liked and hide what you didn't.  

To be blunt the PS3 and 360 don't have to live up to the PS2, the PS2 was and is a sales phenom and its a gold standard not a measuring stick.  I really don't think this diminishes what the 360 and PS3 have done nearly as much as it highlights what the PS2 has done tbh.


You cannot use PS3's Japanese launch date...



PSN ID: krik

Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M

 

Ok so this is the method krik was referring to, and I'll explain why its a horrible method.  Basically he goes to each region and does it from the launch of the PS3 specifically. As you can see even this method supports the points I made in my last post.  

Japan:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Japan
5,495,842
1,973,943
414,931
1,176,052

America:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
America
9,730,065
4,249,855
7,838,110
7,087,195

Others:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Total Others
5,818,107
4,512,586
2,683,669
3,918,032

So for this post I will explain why this method of comparison is faulty.

Now the first problem with this comparison is that all of the data points start on strong weeks for the PS3.  The fact that the launch had large stagger is a bad thing from a business and consumer viewpoint but this comparison rewards it by framing it up like everything is just roses and sunshine.   

Where this is really skewing the matter is the simple fact is that any pent up demand for the PS3 due to a staggered launch has been taken care of  because it has been widely available in all regions for quite some time.  So what you're really doing is cutting out all of the PS2 sales from Europe/Others during that period and the PS3 gets all the sales it would have had anyways since the demand is held over until the launch.

By comparing from the launch you've not only stacked the deck in favor of the PS3 but against the PS2. Pick a date...compare all of the consoles its really simple. 

The least flawed comparison we can make is actually to choose a point after the launches for all regions are done.  But like I said I don't think that fits your vision of what this thread should be:

From the first week in April '07 

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Total
16,627,936
7,965,546
8,151,640
8,482,991

 



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@krik

Do you have a substantive responce? I realize you take exception to the launch alignments but it really doesn't make a bit of difference to the point I made. My post had very little to do with that data specifically.



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krik said:

Have you guys noticed the 360 is still only selling on par with the PS2?

/begin sarcasm

I predict the PS2 will destroy the 360 just like it destroyed the XB1 ROFL

/end sarcasm

Here is some amazing data on how poorly the 360 is really doing...

Total sales for PS2 vs 360 since the 360 launched (10M win for PS2):

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 26th Nov 2005 to 08th Mar 2008:


ConsoleX360PS2
Total
17,496,665
27,452,771

Total sales for PS2 vs 360 for 2008 (a statistical tie, almost 2.5 years after 360's launch):

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Jan 2008 to 08th Mar 2008:


ConsoleX360PS2
Total
1,374,114
1,352,926

Pretty amazing how the PS2 can still give X360 a run for it ;)

 


Cool, so what you're saying is that price shouldn't have nothing at all to do with how well a console is selling. That's funny considering I've heard some PS3 fanboys saying that the PS3 hasn't sold a lot more because of it's price. I guess you would argue with those fanboy and say they're full of sh*t. Am I right? Oops nevermind I noticed you brought money into it later on when someone brought up the PS3, you're being a hypocrite.



Those are great comparisons there krik. I really didnt know Sony was kicking so much ass with the Ps2.



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Ok so this is the method krik was referring to, and I'll explain why its a horrible method. Basically he goes to each region and does it from the launch of the PS3 specifically. As you can see even this method supports the points I made in my last post.

Japan:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Japan
5,495,842
1,973,943
414,931
1,176,052

America:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
America
9,730,065
4,249,855
7,838,110
7,087,195

Others:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Total Others
5,818,107
4,512,586
2,683,669
3,918,032

So for this post I will explain why this method of comparison is faulty.

Now the first problem with this comparison is that all of the data points start on strong weeks for the PS3. The fact that the launch had large stagger is a bad thing from a business and consumer viewpoint anyways, but this comparison rewards it by framing it up like everything is just roses and sunshine.

Where this is really skewing the matter is the simple fact that any pent up demand for the PS3 due to a staggered launch has been taken care of because it has been widely available in all regions for quite some time. So what you're really doing is cutting out all of the PS2 sales from Europe/Others during that period and the PS3 gets all the sales it would have had anyways since the demand is held over until the launch.

By comparing from the launch you've not only stacked the deck in favor of the PS3 but against the PS2. Pick a date...compare all of the consoles its really simple.

The least flawed comparison we can make is actually to choose a point after the launches for all regions are done. But like I said I don't think that fits your vision of what this thread should be:

From the first week in April '07

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Total
16,627,936
7,965,546
8,151,640
8,482,991

 



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Sqrl said:

Ok so this is the method krik was referring to, and I'll explain why its a horrible method.  Basically he goes to each region and does it from the launch of the PS3 specifically. As you can see even this method supports the points I made in my last post.  

Japan:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Japan
5,495,842
1,973,943
414,931
1,176,052

America:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
America
9,730,065
4,249,855
7,838,110
7,087,195

Others:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Total Others
5,818,107
4,512,586
2,683,669
3,918,032

So for this post I will explain why this method of comparison is faulty.

Now the first problem with this comparison is that all of the data points start on strong weeks for the PS3.  The fact that the launch had large stagger is a bad thing from a business and consumer viewpoint but this comparison rewards it by framing it up like everything is just roses and sunshine.   

Where this is really skewing the matter is the simple fact is that any pent up demand for the PS3 due to a staggered launch has been taken care of  because it has been widely available in all regions for quite some time.  So what you're really doing is cutting out all of the PS2 sales from Europe/Others during that period and the PS3 gets all the sales it would have had anyways since the demand is held over until the launch.

By comparing from the launch you've not only stacked the deck in favor of the PS3 but against the PS2. Pick a date...compare all of the consoles its really simple. 

The least flawed comparison we can make is actually to choose a point after the launches for all regions are done.  But like I said I don't think that fits your vision of what this thread should be:

From the first week in April '07 

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PS2
Total
16,627,936
7,965,546
8,151,640
8,482,991

 


 I didn't include Wii and 360, WTF? It does not matter if it starts at PS3's hot dates since the idea is to INCLUDE ALL THE PS3 SALES. Got it? 

One more time: I did not compare the PS3 with Wii or 360, just PS3 vs PS2. 



PSN ID: krik

Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M

 

Legend11 said:

Cool, so what you're saying is that price shouldn't have nothing at all to do with how well a console is selling. That's funny considering I've heard some PS3 fanboys saying that the PS3 hasn't sold a lot more because of it's price. I guess you would argue with those fanboy and say they're full of sh*t. Am I right? Oops nevermind I noticed you brought money into it later on when someone brought up the PS3, you're being a hypocrite.


 Price it's not the only factor to be considered. You probably talking about PS3's launch price of $600. Well, that my friend kind of matters. Anyway I didn't talk about price at all in this comparisons, why do you keep talking about price? Who cares about price?



PSN ID: krik

Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M