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Forums - Politics - Gay rights...round 3

HollyGamer said:

and??? how about "Human right "  they have their own agenda. What about Gay right, they probably have their own agenda. It simple actualy,  gay right that back up by "human right " is simply  a flaw a BIG FLAW made by human ego  and simply cannot use as a law.

 

If you can't tell the difference between a "human right" and a "religious agenda" then you are far from qualified to have a debate about this topic.



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What's the problem here? If two guys or two girls want to live in a happy relationship, or a guy wants to be a girl or whatever combination you could think of which makes the individual(s) happy, then where's the problem?

It's got nothing to do with me and everyone is unique thus has their own unique preferences. Trying to say that one type of relationship of way of life is wrong or "inhuman" just because it's not something that you personally understand or would do seems illogical. The only important thing is what the couple involved think; and they should have exactly the same rights as everyone else.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

Thank you for this thread by the way, should they ever add an ignore or blocking feature to the site, i've a considerable list of people i'd love to avoid entirely.



HollyGamer said:
Torillian said:
HollyGamer said:
If people can have the right on Gay Marriage, can people also have the right for Incest, animal sex, Necrophilia, or pedophilia, Polygamist? Saying no it's a little bit hypocrite isn't? Or where, or who the one who made the law, where do we determine the moral, if we becoming so civilize do we have to follow roman culture or ancient age because their lack of knowledge and science. Do we follow old culture to determine the human right. Who has the right to make the law or human right?


Polygamist would follow, but the rest of your examples have obvious logical reasons to remain illegal.  Incest has been known to produce children with an overly high proclivity for genetic defects while the rest of your examples are with people, animals, or things which cannot by definition give consent.  Marriage should simply be a pledge of love between any number of consenting individuals.  This definition procludes negates the possibilities of animal sex, necrophilia or pedophilia while giving rights to consenting adults that they should logically have.  

Hah you speak with scientific  language but you failed to mention that gay marriage also (in fact) cause a lot of disease and cause  a lot of physiological disease. "Marriage should simply be a pledge of love between any number of consenting individuals." who said that? is it science? who said that? why we have to trust that word, does the one who made that understand what love is????

OMG! I'm in a gay marriage right now!!! What diseases can I get??? Please tell me for my own sake! 



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TruckOSaurus said:

OMG! I'm in a gay marriage right now!!! What diseases can I get??? Please tell me for my own sake! 

it's too late, you already cought homosexuality :( !



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HollyGamer said:

Yeah when we debate that Guy Mari age is also have " Bad " implication i would get banned because i know some mods in here is defending gay marriage, i refuse to accept all the reason because there is also a lot of research that Gay Marriage has also have a bad implication to human physiological and physical health for both couple and social life and people surrounding. Is all about political and defending the ideology of "Human right " , human freedom "which is have it's own flaw . I guess human don't know what is their right.

Please link to some of that research. 




Tamron said:
TruckOSaurus said:

OMG! I'm in a gay marriage right now!!! What diseases can I get??? Please tell me for my own sake! 

it's too late, you already cought homosexuality :( !

I should have known that marrying a dude would have side-effects.



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As always when there is a minority dissent the threads tend to overflow and overwhelm in favor of the majority position. I'll just reply to your most common objections and points.

1. Why do I care what two loving consenting adults do?

Because I don't want to glorify the gay union and allowing same-sex marriage elevates it to the same level as that between a man and a woman. It basically says they are the same family which is biologically and naturally inaccurate. The definition of family is at stake here. The point of marriage is to define what is a family in a conceptual way. You can have other types of families, gangs are typically and internally referred to as a family. But that doesn't mean they are the same type of family that is capable of producing and caring for off springs.


2. If it doesn't cause any harm why not allow it? A tired argument that is the same as referring to the bible as condemnation and refutation. It leads nowhere and is vapid. The absence of harm can't be the sole justification of something so polarizing and important as marriage. Also, where do we draw the line? Using that reasoning, we should automatically include incestuous relations. The line has to be drawn. A free society doesn't include unfettered freedom. There are actually plenty of prohibitions and conditions in western society.

Also, be aware that there is no such thing as a right to marry. It's a privilege. The are rights attached to a marital contract as well as obligations but there is no such thing as the actual right to contract. Privileges are by nature exclusive, they exclude others who don't qualify. The point of marriage is to preserve the family which is by nature defined as the sexual union between a man and a woman. This has nothing to do with individual capacity to bear children and is conceptual in nature.

Also, there is no coercion to marry. An opposite-sex couple can choose to live in cohabitation. Marriage is thus optional to define a family as a husband and a wife and any offspring.



TruckOSaurus said:
Tamron said:

it's too late, you already cought homosexuality :( !

I should have known that marrying a dude would have side-effects.


At least you stopped before you got that double whammy of also marrying multiple dudes.



TruckOSaurus said:
Tamron said:

it's too late, you already cought homosexuality :( !

I should have known that marrying a dude would have side-effects.


you should have thought about it more before getting married, you know, if you just stayed "friends with benefits" and given up on the whole "married" thing, according to some of the posters on this thread, that would magically make you straight and a viable parent.