sure wasnt, I'd say those shovelware games helped

yes, but you are missing my point. It KEPT getting COD throughout its entire life. The same cant be said for WIi U which got two. Wii also got a bunch of ports of not neccesarily AAA games but games non the less. It got a few Star Wars games for example, which no games from that franchise will appear on WIi U sans maybe if they decide to do a new Lego SW to coincide with the new movies, if they even make that.

I think some people are looking at it the wrong way. When Momma Jane walks into a game store or any store that sells games and she sees the walls littered with Wii games twice as much as PS3 or even 360 well perception is reality she is gonna to assume that the WIi has more games so it must be better, she itsnt reading reviews or cares about what is shovelware or not, she just wants something to shut her brat up or if it is for her she's going to buy those exercise dance shovelware games anyway and never look at the boy and his blob, red steel or Tvs. C

You make a fair point, although one that is hard to prove, but it does make sense.

But still, I don't think the Wii was succesful because of the third party games. That's mostly thanks to Nintendo's games.

People can make excuses for Nintendo all they want but luckily for me Nintendo isn't satisfied. They know they have to fix their third party relationships. They got close with the Wii U but lost the third party early on. Its not that games cannot sell on Nintendo consoles, but rather the lack of a fight that Nintendo is willing to give the competition for surpremecy while acknowledging the power of third party sales to the masses.

if you hit up a game store at the peak of last gen then you would have seen the it wall to wall with Wii games. They even had Wii games in places like Marshalls. Ask yourself WHO shops at Marshalls and what games did they have? I'll tell you it wasnt Mario or Smash. Hell just look at the sales of those games. SOMEONE was buying them and if it wasnt you or me or most gamers, who could it have been?

I never suggested Wii did well because of 3rd parties but i think its wrong to say that it didnt play a factor at all. 

pretty sure they played a factor whether people want to believe it or not. Im not saying its THE reason why Wii did well that would be crazy

I wrote something to that effect a while ago. I still agree with it completely. If Nintendo wants AAA 3rd party multiplats to be part of their business strategy, they need to take the first step and make games in those genres targeted at those same demographics. There's a reason we associate the Xbox brand with shooters; it's becase MS made Halo a huge staple, like what is Zelda to Nintendo. Ideally, they take the time they have left in the Wii U's life cycle and use it to get into as many homes of PS4 and XB1 owners as possible.

Of course it is, deservingly so.

N64 really struggle to live up to SNES. Especially since I was a big RPG fans and SNES had so many great games FF3, Secret of Mana & Chrono Trigger.  The console was plague with long draught of release and no support outside Nintendo and Rare. Does the game or the console defined the N64 era? N64 had some amazing games but doesn't mean a great console. The Carts turned out to be a big mistake and the controller design was by far one of Nintendo worst.  

it's a flop. but the one thing i'm impressed with is no matter how much time goes by, i never hear anyone bitch about the gamepad. as many customers it's scared away, the people who own one say they like it. so maybe history will redeem it.