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Did Wii succesfully move software?

Yes, Wii moved software just fine. 66 70.21%
 
No, Wii didn't move software well at all. 22 23.40%
 
It was all bundles. Plea... 6 6.38%
 
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Mandalore76 on 30 April 2015
AnthonyW86 said:

Sorry but this thread looks a little biased. Why did you include ps2 sales for COD 3 and RE4 but not for Madden 07(wich sold 4.49 million against 0.49 million on Wii). Also why is X360 not included(2.36m for madden 08). Also only games from early in the gen.

And you also have to take install base into account. As said above after 09 multi platform titles started selling less on Wii, while the install base was much bigger.

You absolutely do have a point, because the information I provided is very subjective.  My examples were meant to compare 7th gen software, so I mainly left out PS2 numbers.  For Call of Duty 3, however, I chose to leave in the full chart of all versions released.  Resident Evil 4 were digital only releases on XBox 360 and PS3, so no numbers for me to compare there, which is the only reason I left the PS2 total for comparison.  And, yes, you are correct, I probably should have put in the XBox 360 #'s in the Madden comparison.  1.79m for Madden 07, and 2.36m for 08 as you pointed out.



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Mr.Playstation on 30 April 2015
Mandalore76 said:
Mr.Playstation said:

Except it's an almost well known fact that 80% of Wii's sold have all had bundled games ( Wii Sports and to a lesser extent Mario Kart Wii ). No one ( or very few ) actually think that all of the wii's sold have had bundled games with them. Therefore in all fairness we must reduce atleast 80,000,000 of all wii software units sold and that brings it far below the Ps1 ( atleast shipped ). Most other consoles rarely have even half of their total sales as bundles.

I didn't dispute the fact that there were bundles.  What I pointed out is that even after factoring those out, the console still moved over 800 million units of software.  That's still an attach rate of 8 games per console owner on average.


Let's remove those 80 million " out of the shipped total", ounce this is then the attach rate for the 3 7th generation home consoles become:

1. Wii: 8.51

2. Xbox 360: 11.22

3. Ps3: 10.57

( Therefore on average the wii sold 2 ( or more ) less games per unit when compared to the Ps3 and Xbox 360 ) While this by no means, means that the wii didn't move software it does mean that it sold a considerable smaller amount of units then the Ps3 and Xbox 360 which is worrying since these consoles had games which are always more expensive than Wii games even at launch.



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Mandalore76 on 30 April 2015
Mr.Playstation said:


Let's remove those 80 million " out of the shipped total", ounce this is then the attach rate for the 3 7th generation home consoles become:

1. Wii: 8.51

2. Xbox 360: 11.22

3. Ps3: 10.57

( Therefore on average the wii sold 2 ( or more ) less games per unit when compared to the Ps3 and Xbox 360 ) While this by no means, means that the wii didn't move software it does mean that it sold a considerable smaller amount of units then the Ps3 and Xbox 360 which is worrying since these consoles had games which are always more expensive than Wii games even at launch.

Wait, I thought the knock on Nintendo consoles is that the price of the software remains high in the long run while the other console's titles get knocked down to bargain bin prices soon after release?



Arkaign on 30 April 2015

Can't argue with that, the sheer volume of garbage being thrown onto the Wii from all directions excepting Nintendo themselves was staggering, and I can definitely agree that it would have the effect of harming the sales of decent 3rd party efforts that weren't supported enough with marketing and visibility to stand out in the deluge of raining shit.



Arcturus on 30 April 2015
Mandalore76 said:
Arcturus said:

Wow, there is a lot going on in your post. How about I start with this:

"Dispelling the myth that Wii did not move software" - Who actually said that the Wii didn't move software? I don't think anyone disputes this.

As recently as yesterday, which inspired this thread:

"petroleo said:

The Wii was an a atrocity to game developers and to the game industry in general, yes it sold like hell but to which audience ?, games weren't selling, only Marios and Pokemons were selling there, so selling millions Wii didn't mean nothing to the game industry, it actually was hurting"

You're making it seem like it is some wide spread belief with this thread and that title, when it fact you're saying that this thread was inprised by one random person's semi-cohesive comment.



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Mandalore76 on 30 April 2015
Arcturus said:

You're making it seem like it is some wide spread belief with this thread and that title, when it fact you're saying that this thread was inprised by one random person's semi-cohesive comment.

It's actually a culmination of things I've read in 3 years of being on this site without being particularly active (less than 1 post per day, and not having created my first thread until a week ago).  That was just the easiest to directly quote when asked "who says this?", because it was fresh in my mind.  In general, it regards to the Wii itself being discredited in some form or another by multiple people.



Mr.Playstation on 30 April 2015
Mandalore76 said:
Mr.Playstation said:


Let's remove those 80 million " out of the shipped total", ounce this is then the attach rate for the 3 7th generation home consoles become:

1. Wii: 8.51

2. Xbox 360: 11.22

3. Ps3: 10.57

( Therefore on average the wii sold 2 ( or more ) less games per unit when compared to the Ps3 and Xbox 360 ) While this by no means, means that the wii didn't move software it does mean that it sold a considerable smaller amount of units then the Ps3 and Xbox 360 which is worrying since these consoles had games which are always more expensive than Wii games even at launch.

Wait, I thought the knock on Nintendo consoles is that the price of the software remains high in the long run while the other console's titles get knocked down to bargain bin prices soon after release?

For first party Nintendo titles maybe but for third parties the opposite can be said. After all wasn't this thread based on this comment:

The Wii was an a atrocity to game developers and to the game industry in general, yes it sold like hell but to which audience ?, games weren't selling, only Marios and Pokemons were selling there, so selling millions Wii didn't mean nothing to the game industry, it actually was hurting"

Also it would be great for you to know that by removing the top 9 best selling Wii games ( all "Surprisingly" made by Nintendo ) you would be removing almost 1/3 of all Wii software sales. ( Software sales left=687.1million or 73.04% )



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Train wreck on 30 April 2015
judging it in the annals of gaming history.

Okay, so there was the problem that games got lost in the shuffle. The obvious question is: "Who created this problem?"

Let's look at the facts (ignore the text because it's blatantly biased, focus on the pictures; these are releases up to around April 2010):

http://pietriots.com/2010/12/17/the-3rd-party-wall-of-shame/

Who flooded the Wii with trash? The likes of EA, Activision, Ubisoft etc., then they turned around and complained that their better efforts didn't sell, even though they didn't really advertise them (which is why these games got lost between the trash that they had put out at the same time).

How come that Nintendo could sell their own software at the same time? It's because Nintendo maintained high quality, actually advertised their games, and consequently, garnered trust from consumers. Look at the wall of shame above and tell me, would you trust any of those companies?

LOL ok...definitely had my laugh for today.

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Mandalore76 on 30 April 2015
Platina said:
When trying to prove a point, you will always come out as biased....

That said, this was a pretty good read

So true.  Glad you enjoyed it by the way.  This was the slimmed down version, lol.  I tried to reign myself in whenever I started going off the rails.



SWORDF1SH on 30 April 2015

Don't think I've seen anybody say wii doesn't move software. People say, and I agree, that wii doesn't move 3rd party software. 

 

Of course there are exceptions but on the whole 3rd party games sold  poorly. This led to 3rd parties abandoning the wii later on.

 

If games were a poorer experience on the wii, blame the hardware, not the budget.

 

As time went on, third parties released games on the wii that suited the audience. Mostly party and dance games.

 

There are hardcore gamers on the wii but it's huge success was down to beinbeing a family friendly console, and that's how eventually it got supported.