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How Microsoft is doing with tablets and smartphones

Good for tablets. Bad for smartphones 11 22.45%
 
Bad for tablets. Good for smartphones 3 6.12%
 
Good for both. 7 14.29%
 
Bad for both. 28 57.14%
 
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Conina on 28 April 2015
super6646 said:
Arcturus said:
super6646 said:

So recently we've seen the remarkable stories on surface, and how well its doing. This quarter, its sales soared again thanks to strong sales from the Surface Pro 3.

"sales soared again" and "strong sales" are really vague. How about you show us the numbers, and how they compare to sales of iPads and Android tablets?


You can't compare the two, since the Surface Pro 3 is much more expensive. Anyway sales where 713 million dollars, up 44% YOY. 

713 million revenue, so ~1 million tablets, probably less. Meanwhile over 12 million iPads and even more Android tablets were sold. Yeah, Microsoft is clearly winning the "tablet wars".



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super6646 on 28 April 2015
Conina said:
super6646 said:


You can't compare the two, since the Surface Pro 3 is much more expensive. Anyway sales where 713 million dollars, up 44% YOY. 

713 million revenue, so ~1 million tablets, probably less. Meanwhile over 12 million iPads and even more Android tablets were sold. Yeah, Microsoft is clearly winning the "tablet wars".

Did I say winning. Lol your stretching the truth way far. And, what about other OEM's? There are literally dozens of them. Microsoft aren't the only people who make their tablets.



-CraZed- on 28 April 2015

It is my hope that the stronger Surface sales and the launch of windows 10 will help bring along the smartphone side. As a long time Lumia/Surface owner I have to say MS (Nokia) has created some fabulous gear. The Windows 8 smartphone OS is the most unique and compelling out of the major makers and it's a shame they were so late to the party with it that it never gained more than 4% of the market. But, with universal apps hopefully that will all change once Windows 10 launches. I mean, developers won't be able to resist being able to make one app for three different ecosystems (phones, PC, Xbox) right?

Might be wishful thinking but it would be a shame for them to abandon that side of their business when they have a such a great product.



Conina on 28 April 2015
super6646 said:
Conina said:

713 million revenue, so ~1 million tablets, probably less. Meanwhile over 12 million iPads and even more Android tablets were sold. Yeah, Microsoft is clearly winning the "tablet wars".

Did I say winning. Lol your stretching the truth way far.

Just look in your own thread title! "why I think Microsoft will win the tablet wars"



super6646 on 28 April 2015
Conina said:
super6646 said:
Conina said:

713 million revenue, so ~1 million tablets, probably less. Meanwhile over 12 million iPads and even more Android tablets were sold. Yeah, Microsoft is clearly winning the "tablet wars".

Did I say winning. Lol your stretching the truth way far.

Just look in your own thread title! "why I think Microsoft will win the tablet wars"


Exactly, "why I think it will". Key words are "I think" and "will"; meaning future-tense, and my opinion. I never said it's going to win today. And like I said, Microsoft is not the only company that makes tablets, there are OEM's.



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Burek on 28 April 2015
super6646 said:


Bill gates himself opposed it. Anyway I really don't know what they're going to do about the app situation. Windows Phone owners are going to have to pray the "universal apps" thing works, otherwise the platform is doomed.

That is actually my main gripe with newer Windows. At work I still use W7, from the era when PCs used to have programs instead of apps. Click on Calculator and it opens. Now on W8, with apps, you click on Calculator and it goes into a 3-minute dance routine until it eventually opens. 

But that's another topic in itself.



Conina on 28 April 2015

And my opinion is: they won't win for a long long time.

Including other Windows tablets (and 2-in-1 convertibles), they have a 5% marketshare: http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS25480015



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 28 April 2015
Conina said:
And my opinion is: they won't win for a long long time.

Until they have some signifigant marketshare, somewhere close to a pluraity or in the top 3, though won't even be close to winning the "Tablet Wars".

Thread title is a joke, it would be more apt if it gave a concrete metric like tablet sales expected to double or Tablet marketshare will increase to 15%.



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binary solo on 28 April 2015
super6646 said:
binary solo said:
What's the difference between Surface and a touchscreen ultrabook? Not much really. In many ways a windows tablet is an extension of the laptop market. All the people I know with windows tablets essentially use them as laptops. So when you look at windows tablets this way it makes sense that windows should do well with tablets.

With phones it's differen. Phone is not an extension of a market that MS already dominates. Hence outside of supplying business, which doesn't care so much about apps, windows phone will struggle.


Well I could also disagree. The surface pro 3 could be an agreement point, but we have to look at the new surface 3. Its priced like a tablet (starting at 500$) and yes it is more powerful then most tablets but its similarly spec'd. Now yes it runs full windows, but I think it really works. Anyway it varies from person to person.

$500 is priced like a tablet? Hell I can get a notebook with better specs than a Surface 3 for $500. If you said Surface 3 was $250 then I might take you seriously that Surface is not an extension of the laptop. And it runs full Windows. So the only differentiation with the features that exist in laptops is detachable keyboard.



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super6646 on 28 April 2015
binary solo said:
super6646 said:
binary solo said:
What's the difference between Surface and a touchscreen ultrabook? Not much really. In many ways a windows tablet is an extension of the laptop market. All the people I know with windows tablets essentially use them as laptops. So when you look at windows tablets this way it makes sense that windows should do well with tablets.

With phones it's differen. Phone is not an extension of a market that MS already dominates. Hence outside of supplying business, which doesn't care so much about apps, windows phone will struggle.


Well I could also disagree. The surface pro 3 could be an agreement point, but we have to look at the new surface 3. Its priced like a tablet (starting at 500$) and yes it is more powerful then most tablets but its similarly spec'd. Now yes it runs full windows, but I think it really works. Anyway it varies from person to person.

$500 is priced like a tablet? Hell I can get a notebook with better specs than a Surface 3 for $500. If you said Surface 3 was $250 then I might take you seriously that Surface is not an extension of the laptop. And it runs full Windows. So the only differentiation with the features that exist in laptops is detachable keyboard.

But it can be used as a tablet. If you don't want a keyboard of course. All the hardware is in the tablet portion of it. It weights only 600 grams. Anyway just for a tablet, if you had to choose, an iPad Air 2 with 16 GB's that only runs apps from its app store, or a tablet with 64 GB and can run full windows. Both are the same price.