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silentdj151 said:
Religion is all about faith - faith is beneficial to society
organized religion is a control mechanisms - which is very costly and a great burden on society
just my two cents


Why not have faith in yourself? No god and no amount of praying will solve your problems. Religion = Crutch, Organized Religion = biggest scam in human history.



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Torillian said:
ohmylanta1003 said:


Alright. You continue to mix up the words "respect" and "agree", even after I asspecified in my goddamn post that they are not the same fucking thing. You need to learn the difference before you post again on this topic. It is a very common practice as a human being to respect someone's choices without agreeing with them. If that wasn't common, this world would be even shittier than it already is. I'm pretty disappointed in your response. You basically just said the exact same things I already addressed in your first post. However, I do agree with your last point, but in your first post it certainly didn't sound like you wanted to have an honest discussion over our beliefs.

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You need to calm down, dude.  While some amount of swearing is acceptable in these forums you are far beyond the line of acceptable.  Continuing on this path will force moderation.  


I only did it because he specifically stated that he thought less of me because I used one swear in a previous post. I was curious if I would get a warning for this and I understand completely why I did. I would also like to say that I honestly don't think VGChartz should even have threads like this. It's a video game website and these types of threads don't lead to anything but controversy and anger.



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HBninjaX said:
kinisking said:

Biggest load of bullshit I've heard in my life. I get called ignorant, stupid and so forth just because I believe in a god. Atheists have been forcing their beliefs on people just as much as religious people 

Yup I'm going to call BS too, there are plenty of secular folks forcing their religion on people ie. socialized medicine, raising  taxes to pay for an ever expanding state, nationalizing private institutions, common core, forcing employers/religious institutions to cover contraception mandates, cap and trade, general environmentalist wackiness.  It appears to me the "religion" forcing usually springs up from the secular folks.

So any idea that you don't like is a "religion".  lol.  WHat nonsense.



generic-user-1 said:
because religious people try to interfere with my life.

How are they interfering with your life?



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I had to join just to add to this. I haven't paid the respect to other members, veteran or not, who already shared their opinions, so I'm sorry if I echo things.

Atheists and Religious folk get upset over very different things. When you tell a religion person that they are wrong, you are subsequently telling them they are delusional and the people who they respect most (family, friends, mentors/priests) were delusional as well. So that's where that insult and defense comes into play. Which is why so often when you tell somebody their belief is silly/wrong, they default with being content with faith/baselessness, for the sake of the good feelings something allots them. This allows them to honor those who they respect when they were taught such things. So that's religious folks.

Atheists are different in that they hold no biases for anything beyond evidence, and generally would lack respect for whom they learnt if the teachings seemed fantastic or unrealistic in some way. So when a religious person says something fallacious, the atheist will want to know why they believe such things. And most often the answers given are not up to snuff; they are not coherent or reasonable. So to a person with no biases, being told something which clearly has its holes is frustrating and unacceptable.

I'll give you an example. Lets say you knew everything there was to know about rocket science or dandelions. When somebody comes up and says something explicitly incorrect about rocket science or dandelions, you would speak up and say, "Throughout my years of research, what you said is incompatible with the facts I've come across. I would like to cross examine your views. If your views don't review well, I'm in line to tell you you are wrong and have you accept it, OR I am in line to be upset with the delusion you're spreading about my passion (dandelions / rocket science), and must insist that you immediately stop the charade."

If somebody is wrong, and you had factual reasons to explain why they are wrong, or people are pretending to know that which is not yet known for the sake of getting to showcase how much more enlightened they are than other thinking people, then you are right to speak up because THAT'S how you've obtained the knowledge you have, so far. This is not meant to insult, but it's subsequently offensive to those who are not use to being questioned, and of course offensive to those who value truth and rationality.

The question needs to be asked differently when wondering why the two cannot get along, because it infers they get upset over the same reasons--that reason being that they just want everybody to agree with them, or something. It's not the case in either position. I could go on but this comment is long enough.



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Hiku said:
JazzB1987 said:
generic-user-1 said:
because religious people try to interfere with my life.


more like atheists constantly tell religious people "look how stupid you are"

It's one thing to insult someone's inteligence, and another to impose on how other people live their lives with laws and education.
I've also never experienced atheists knocking at my door, trying to convince me what to believe in.


I have never experienced  religious people doing that.

On the other hand I constantly encounter ahteists telling me "why do you believe in god? That makes no sense. If god would exist why this why that. Church is just bullshit"

Just because YOU live where retarted fanatics try to convince you to become christian or something does not mean that thats the case for everyone.
Atheists have nothing to "sell" so they obviously dont knock on your door to tell you to be atheists but they constantly do this in normal conversation etc.



I believe in tricks, not magic. I believe that the brain can translate a lot of things that don't actually exist, hence why things like mirages, addiction, and optical illusions take place. I believe in things that are backed not by the human brain alone but also through the help of general observational science, as opposed to a book written 3500 years ago that explains alot of things (that are now debunked by science) that eventually led to the ever-so-useful 'god of the gaps' arguement. I digress.

I would not talk like this in front of a religiuos person because it may start a heated conversation but it is how I feel. I live in harmony with a couple of religious people and when they talk about religion I just sort of listen as opposed to argue it.

So the answer is we can live in harmony, it just depends on whether the individual is attracted to drama or not.



Tekksin said:

Atheists are different in that they hold no biases for anything beyond evidence, and generally would lack respect for whom they learnt if the teachings seemed fantastic or unrealistic in some way. So when a religious person says something fallacious, the atheist will want to know why they believe such things. And most often the answers given are not up to snuff; they are not coherent or reasonable. So to a person with no biases, being told something which clearly has its holes is frustrating and unacceptable.

wat. I suppose you haven't met too many atheists. I know several who have chosen their pick solely to be in opposition of family or a group of people who they feel has wronged them. What bias or thought processes a person holds are not inclusive to their belief system.



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Ka-pi96 said:
whatever said:
HBninjaX said:
kinisking said:

Biggest load of bullshit I've heard in my life. I get called ignorant, stupid and so forth just because I believe in a god. Atheists have been forcing their beliefs on people just as much as religious people 

Yup I'm going to call BS too, there are plenty of secular folks forcing their religion on people ie. socialized medicine, raising  taxes to pay for an ever expanding state, nationalizing private institutions, common core, forcing employers/religious institutions to cover contraception mandates, cap and trade, general environmentalist wackiness.  It appears to me the "religion" forcing usually springs up from the secular folks.

So any idea that you don't like is a "religion".  lol.  WHat nonsense.

I think he was being sarcastic.

I guess I need a few more drinks!



whatever said:
HBninjaX said:
kinisking said:

Biggest load of bullshit I've heard in my life. I get called ignorant, stupid and so forth just because I believe in a god. Atheists have been forcing their beliefs on people just as much as religious people 

Yup I'm going to call BS too, there are plenty of secular folks forcing their religion on people ie. socialized medicine, raising  taxes to pay for an ever expanding state, nationalizing private institutions, common core, forcing employers/religious institutions to cover contraception mandates, cap and trade, general environmentalist wackiness.  It appears to me the "religion" forcing usually springs up from the secular folks.

So any idea that you don't like is a "religion".  lol.  WHat nonsense.

yup, what you said is total nonsense, I agree.  lol

religion is an organized collection of beliefs and forcing it on people is wrong