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RolStoppable said:
Teeqoz said:

"It's also worth thinking about the 2001-2005 era. Even though Nintendo handhelds sold far better, the revenue from home consoles isn't that far behind. At this point you might as well add handhelds to the things that Nintendo should scrap."

Not really, no. As a multiplat publisher for home consoles, Nintendo would have a much bigger userbase to sell to, that wouldn't be the case as a publsiher on home consoles. Besides, I don't mean that Nintendo's home console division is performing badly, (okay currently it is, but that's besides the point) but that it could potentially perform better.

And while I do think that Nintendo would not be able to reach those heights as a 3rd party publisher, I do believe their lows wouldn't be that low and that their normals would be substantially higher. If Nintendo were to invent fairy dust and make a success like the Wii again (and again and again and again), then going third party would (obviously) not benefit them. However I don't think they will.

Nintendo is already spreading out as a part of that strategy, why couldn't they also spread out to multiplat home console titles? It would, in my opinion of course, be a better bet for both direct software profits, but also for seriously expanding their fan base.

Smart devices and PCs are not competing devices like PlayStation and Xbox. While Nintendo is certainly not going to invent fairy dust, they are already in the process of setting things up to make their normals substantially higher while still remaining in complete control.


Smart devices are competing with Nintendo's handhelds than PS and Xbox ever did and ever will.



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RolStoppable said:
Teeqoz said:

Smart devices are competing with Nintendo's handhelds than PS and Xbox ever did and ever will.

Smart devices aren't dedicated gaming machines. And since virtually every human being is going to own a smartphone at some point, you would have to say that Nintendo should quit handhelds if it is your opinion that smartphones are truly competing with handhelds. However, you have suggested no such thing and instead proposed that Nintendo should quit making home consoles. So either you don't consider smart devices competition or you think they aren't an actual threat. In any case, it means that smart devices and PCs are not competing devices like PlayStation and Xbox, and you know that, because you have argued from that angle throughout this entire thread.

before smart phones if kids wanted a handheld gaming machine -----> nintendo. Now ---> smartphone. Why? because the games are cheaper and it can do even more than a 3ds could for the children in the eyes of the parents. obviously not in all cases, but its the reason why the 3ds is doing much worse than the ds



Ltd predictions by the time 9th Gen comes out

Ps4:110million

Xbox one :75 million( was 65) 

Wii u: 20 milliion

RolStoppable said:
kinisking said:

before smart phones if kids wanted a handheld gaming machine -----> nintendo. Now ---> smartphone. Why? because the games are cheaper and it can do even more than a 3ds could for the children in the eyes of the parents. obviously not in all cases, but its the reason why the 3ds is doing much worse than the ds

If we bring your argument to its logical end, it means that the next Nintendo handheld will sell fewer units than the 3DS because smartphones are only going to get more widespread.

and it will. unless the next handheld is a fusion,or has some amazing gimmick that smartphones couldnt ever hope to mimic 



Ltd predictions by the time 9th Gen comes out

Ps4:110million

Xbox one :75 million( was 65) 

Wii u: 20 milliion

kinisking said:
RolStoppable said:

Smart devices aren't dedicated gaming machines. And since virtually every human being is going to own a smartphone at some point, you would have to say that Nintendo should quit handhelds if it is your opinion that smartphones are truly competing with handhelds. However, you have suggested no such thing and instead proposed that Nintendo should quit making home consoles. So either you don't consider smart devices competition or you think they aren't an actual threat. In any case, it means that smart devices and PCs are not competing devices like PlayStation and Xbox, and you know that, because you have argued from that angle throughout this entire thread.

before smart phones if kids wanted a handheld gaming machine -----> nintendo. Now ---> smartphone. Why? because the games are cheaper and it can do even more than a 3ds could for the children in the eyes of the parents. obviously not in all cases, but its the reason why the 3ds is doing much worse than the ds

Why do people always insist on just comparing to DS?

From 1989-2007 (4th/5th/6th generations) the Gameboy line sold just about 200 million units of hardware and a little under 900 million units of software. That's about 65 million units of hardware and 300 million units of software per generation, pretty much right where 3DS is headed.



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zorg1000 said:
kinisking said:

before smart phones if kids wanted a handheld gaming machine -----> nintendo. Now ---> smartphone. Why? because the games are cheaper and it can do even more than a 3ds could for the children in the eyes of the parents. obviously not in all cases, but its the reason why the 3ds is doing much worse than the ds

Why do people always insist on just comparing to DS?

From 1989-2007 (4th/5th/6th generations) the Gameboy line sold just about 200 million units of hardware and a little under 900 million units of software. That's about 65 million units of hardware and 300 million units of software per generation, pretty much right where 3DS is headed.

because the 3ds is the ds's successor, not the game boys.



Ltd predictions by the time 9th Gen comes out

Ps4:110million

Xbox one :75 million( was 65) 

Wii u: 20 milliion

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kinisking said:
zorg1000 said:

Why do people always insist on just comparing to DS?

From 1989-2007 (4th/5th/6th generations) the Gameboy line sold just about 200 million units of hardware and a little under 900 million units of software. That's about 65 million units of hardware and 300 million units of software per generation, pretty much right where 3DS is headed.

because the 3ds is the ds's successor, not the game boys.


That's a pretty short sighted way of looking at things, don't u think?

Ur just going to ignore that 4/5 of the past generations have sold roughly 65 million hardware and 300 million software. DS is a clear anomaly and shouldn't be considered standard in any regard.



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RolStoppable said:
zorg1000 said:

That's a pretty short sighted way of looking at things, don't u think?

Ur just going to ignore that 4/5 of the past generations have sold roughly 65 million hardware and 300 million software. DS is a clear anomaly and shouldn't be considered standard in any regard.

Just because his way of thinking is more than questionable doesn't mean that yours is right.

If you insist on using that consistency in hardware and software sales, then you should do the same for profitability. In which case the 3DS is performing notably worse than all past handhelds and that makes the 3DS an anomaly.

Yes, they posted 3 years of losses due to the fact that they sold hardware at a loss for 3 consecutive years. 3DS was sold at a loss from August 2011-August 2012 and Wii U launched in November 2012, sold at a loss and it's currently unknown whether or not they are still selling it at a loss. I hope Nintendo has learned their lesson and will not sell hardware at a loss from this point on.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Sometimes it's not about what's the most financially viable solution but what's the right thing to do. So get on it Nintendo, stop holding everying dear to gamers hostage.



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vivster said:
Sometimes it's not about what's the most financially viable solution but what's the right thing to do. So get on it Nintendo, stop holding everying dear to gamers hostage.


Nintendo going third party is the right thing to do?



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vivster said:
Sometimes it's not about what's the most financially viable solution but what's the right thing to do. So get on it Nintendo, stop holding everying dear to gamers hostage.

If Nintendo went third party expect all of their IP's that don't sell > 2 million to not be used. The only reason why they make games in those franchises right now is so that they can sell more consoles with platform diversity. So if people are angry with Nintendo only making Mario, Pokemon, etc expect that to be 1000 times worse if they went third-party.