If you admit they could be right why did you claim they were "ignorant , ill informed , un-justified posts". If they are defensible points of view then people have a right to hold them and argue them.
| Million said: I'm pretty much a semi active user and most of the time I spend on this website is done reading other people's posts , it's pretty shocking to see the volume of ignorant , ill informed , un-justified posts that are thrown about about by fanboys on these forums to give their console's credibility. I'll adress some misconceptions that annoy me the most.
==> are u paid for this job ? are u a pro to claim u will "adress" ? -There's no way the XBOX 360 can have an install base of 17 Million even if the faliure rate is a high as 10% (with reports claiming it to be as much as 33%) then the install base could not possibly be more than 16 Million. ==> I dont see any evidence here. Whatever, it is hard to say anything escept a Xbox360 break significatively more often than a PS3/Wii -Third Parties Hugley Benefit from the Wii despite the success of it's 1st party titles ( I used to believe otherwise until looking at the raw data) ==> possible since Wii's third party games cost nothing. -Hardly anyone that matters ( the consumer ) knows anything about DLC for the 360 , however I still beliieve the 360 version will outsell the PS3 version by a significant margin. ==> it is obvious considering the install base. In fact, PS3 owners will buy GTA4 on PS3 and Xbox360 owners will buy GTA4 on Xbox360 ... -SSBB is not going to sell 200 trillion units , it's not as significant a game as many people on these forums make it out to be , they are allowing they're love for the game to bloat their sales estimates. ==> I agree, SSBB is not Wiifit/Wiisport but it is still selling very well. -BC really isn't all that important in PS3's , yes the Japanese went crazy for em on ebay when they BC PS3's where phased out in Japan but they don't represent the whole market. The cost of a 40Gb PS2 + PS2 is less than a 60GB ( it is the UK anyway) Plus if you love BC so much maybe the PS3 isn't for you. ==> I agree -MS Doesn't have a chance of doing anything in Japan , Not this Year , Proly Not '09, Maybe 2010 if they really invested money into JRPG's ,anime games etc. ==> try Xbox720 maybe. -MS WILL NOT release an "XBOX 720" until at least 2011 , considering the R&D cost's , profitability from this generation , shareholder confidence , decreased consumer confidence. It's not like MS can say "oh Sony's fanbase is bigger than ours now let's just release 720 , that'll kill em" It doesn't work like that. ==> I agree. -PS3 Has alota cool exclusives this year but it's not like the 360 hasn't got it's fair share of killer exclusives to , do the proper research before putting down MS's lineup. ==> speculation, except GTA4/Gearofwar, and some multiplateform game (who said FarCry2?), there is nothing to counter Sony. Too much PC games, not enought console games. It is why GTA4 is so important. (this time madden will run at 60 FPS on PS3 too ^^) Well ok some of them aren't misconceptions , some are debatable but cmon....VG |
Time to Work !
I think people make out that SSBB will sell so many copies is because the other two Smash Bros games solded very well on the N64/Gamecube (which weren't the very popular consoles back in their gen) compared to the Wii now.
How much are you thinking SSBB should sell to make it a very significant game as you think people are claiming it to be? over 10/15 million?
Million said:
Do I have proof as in news reports , anecdotal evidence , statistics etc ? Yes . is it conclusive "proof" ? No. It's not so much wether i'm right or wrong because any one of those points I raised could be disproven. It's the way these points are argued without accepting any alternative , I'm completley open to the possibility that any or all of my points are incorrect but that's really not my point. PS: You really think the install base is @ 17 Mil ? With the high hardware faliure rate and the high likelyhood that MS count replaced XBOX 360's as sales plus people buying 2nd or 3rd XBOX's because of hardware faliure I believe it's gotta be at the very most 16. |
VGChartz doesn't count replacements as sales. If M$ gives a number which is sold to retail, they can't count replacements, since retail doesn't replace the units which have been replaced under warranty. Quite a few broken units have been repaired instead of replacing. Of course, there are units, which have broke down and people have bought new ones, but i remind you, that since 360 nowdays has 3 years extended warranty WW, all 360:s sold so far are under the warranty, so if you bought a new one (in the US for example, where the default warranty sucks) after the original warranty ended, you still got your old one fixed after the 3 years extended warranty came along, meaning that theoretically the "2nd consoles" all could have been sold in ebay etc. As for Brawl, it's definately going to be one of the best selling games this gen and assuming Wii will sell record numbers (many times more than GC), there's a lot of potential for the game to sell and it's going to have 30€ budget pricetag in it for the most of the time.
Ei Kiinasti.
Eikä Japanisti.
Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.
Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.
| El Duderino said: "Plus if you love BC so much maybe the PS3 isn't for you." Thats just a stupid thing to say, if I ever where to buy a PS3 it would matter a big deal if I couldn´t play PS2 games, I´m not the only one in the world who didn´t have a PS2, not beeing able to play those classics is a HUGE letdown IMO. |
I never owned a PS, I bought a PS2 in 2001 and BC was a big reason why i bought it
I have played 2 PS games on my PS2 to date: tony hawk and FF IX, oh, and I tried playing Chrono Cross, but there just was so much content, I didn't need to play oldies...
I don't think BC is all that important, It's a nice thing to have, but mostly, It's just that it feels wrong not to have it.. even if you don't use it.
Listen to the voice of reason, then do as I say.
the op is so ironic...i love it
Bets:Missed by 420k I bet leo-j vg$500 that wii will sell 31 million by 7/31/08. Sorry, I don't think he has enough vg$ to make it with all of u that wish you could. Hit, with room to spare I bet kingofwale a 1-week ban that wii Americas ltd sales>360 Americas ltd sales as of the numbers for week ending 7/05/08 (using vgchartz homepage #s)
Predictions:
Wii will sell 18-20mil by 12/31/07 CHECKWii will sell 45mil+ WW by 12/31/08Wii will surpass PS2 sales WW by 11/17/11 (5yr anniversary)Wii Fit will hit 12mil sales in 2009MKWii+SSBB+Wii Fit+SMG > 50 mil sales by 2010 > gta4+mgs+gt5+ff13+haze+lbp
phil said:
That's not a very scientific study. |
ssj12 said:
actually considering M$ counts repaced consoles as sales they sold around 17 million to customers yet the actual install base is around 15 million give or take. |
Link?
You do not have the right to never be offended.
yeah...this smells like a microsoft bashing thread.
To balance the ods...how about...
Misconception -
People who think Microsofts 360 doesn't have the best lineup of console games and is not providing the best online service
or
People who think nintendo isn't just beating a dead horse over and over with every console and re-relasing the same games with upgraded graphics.
Yeah, you're way off on the X360 thing, OP. As bdbdbd said, most replaced units won't go through retailers, but will come directly through MS. Even then, most RRoDs are repaired rather than replaced.
There may have been some repurchased 360s before MS implemented their 3 year warranty, but I doubt if they amount to even 1 million units. And if those users held on to their old broken units, they might have sent them in for repair and resold them, thereby maintaining the userbase.
And that's just your first point...
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