put whatever spin on it you like, but yes, i enjoy expressing my views.

There no casuals on ps4 if it was the case just dance would have significatly sold better then other versions.

If Assassins creed, call of duty, fifa, DESTINY are causals games then what is Cook mama and Nintendo dogs.

If you say Assassins creed, call of duty, fifa are casuals gamers then those gamers never leave home console and those games would sold very well on Wii

There is a difference though. MS tried to do digital games with a physical console. When Sony releases PS5 there will be no console to hold it back. I've said it before, but Sony isn't going to want to waste billions developing hardware that will be out of date in a year like the PS4. By ditching consoles altogether, they will end up in far more hands than they ever would being chained down to a console. Accessibility will make up for a disgruntled fraction of the user base.

Those are casual games. Casual gamers now are the 12 year olds that buy all those games every holiday season but ignore almost every other game. The cooking mama/nintendogs could use their own new designation. I'd call them the Blue Ocean user base.

Yeah, Sony is just going to sit back and hand Nintendo and MS their share of the market...

It's the law of 3, and PS5 doesn't fit. Every third generation is a screw up, because enough time has passed for the company to forget their last screw up and they think they can dictate to the consumer.

Nintendo: N64 was the screw up, they let Sony in the door because they were full of bravado and thought they would always be at the top no matter what. GC was just more suffering as a result. Wii put them back but then the next third generation hit and Wii U is the result.

Sega: Genesis wasn't the first, but in many ways it was Sega's first real success. Dreamcast was the 3rd gen after genesis and well we know the result. They were never dominant in any generation but they still suffered the law of 3.

Sony: I don't really need to say anything about PS3 we don't already know.

MS: Xb og, a hopeful start. 360 an amazing expansion. 3rd gen Xbox, hubris and arrogance leads to several terrible decisions, Xb one failing to establish dominance even in 360's strongest markets, markets it ended up being the top console of the generation despite how amazingly Wii sold.

PS5 is not the fail generation where Sony makes terrible anti-consumer decisions, because it won't have been long enough for Sony to forget the PS3 early years and how much it alienated what Sony thought was a secure player base. PS6 would be the fail generation, but I don't think traditional consoles will be around by then so it's unlikely Sony or MS will get the chance to fail in hardware again.

Ok you could name them casuals games if you want but i still think their are not casuals because the term is not that precise.

But my point is that gamers who buy Assassins creed, call of duty, fifa, DESTINY will always buy consoles

They will be trading in a bottle of water for an ocean. Imagine PS5 in the hands of nearly every man, woman, and child on earth. Sony could make it happen, and they're working towards it.

well.. there will always be casual gamers lol