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sundin13 said:
NobleTeam360 said:

From people trying to break into my house or steal my property. 


Assault rifles seems a tad extreme, don't you think?

It only becomes an Assault Rifle if you have the intent to kill or seriously injury somebody.Also no, a Rifle isn't extreme for home defense. Any gun has the ability to kill, people target rifles becasue they look scary. 



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Lafiel said:
thismeintiel said:

Except most of the people who legally own guns are actually good people.  Otherwise, we would have mini-wars all over the country.  Kinda like they do in those Muslim countries with decent sized extremist population.  Maybe we should be more concerned about their gun laws?

Hey, I won't tell americans or arabs how they have to live, keep buying our guns it's good for our economy :). I just couldn't live comfortably myself if people around me had the power to kill, they are all lunatics. Or maybe I'm the lunatic and they are the normal people, which would be even worse.

So would you rather live in Wyoming, a state where many people own guns (59.7%), but only 1.4/100,000 people are murdered on average, per year, or in Washington D.C a U.S adminstrative region where guns are essentially illegal (3.6% of people own guns), but 21.8/100,000 people are killed per year on average. 



sc94597 said:

So would you rather live in Wyoming, a state where many people own guns (59.7%), but only 1.4/100,000 people are murdered on average, per year, or in Washington D.C a U.S adminstrative region where guns are essentially illegal (3.6% of people own guns), but 21.8/100,000 people are killed per year on average. 

in germany, thanks - I doubt gun owners throw away their weapon at the state border



Lafiel said:
sc94597 said:

So would you rather live in Wyoming, a state where many people own guns (59.7%), but only 1.4/100,000 people are murdered on average, per year, or in Washington D.C a U.S adminstrative region where guns are essentially illegal (3.6% of people own guns), but 21.8/100,000 people are killed per year on average. 

in germany, thanks

I'm sure there are parts of Germany where the homicide rate exceeds parts of the U.S. 



sc94597 said:
Lafiel said:
sc94597 said:

So would you rather live in Wyoming, a state where many people own guns (59.7%), but only 1.4/100,000 people are murdered on average, per year, or in Washington D.C a U.S adminstrative region where guns are essentially illegal (3.6% of people own guns), but 21.8/100,000 people are killed per year on average. 

in germany, thanks

I'm sure there are parts of Germany where the homicide rate exceeds parts of the U.S. 

and I'm sure the moon would be utopia in that regard, still not my prefered place to live



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I live in one of the western coutries where the guns by capita is very high and we don't have any problem with that. I don't really understand why in USA there so many problems about guns like school shootings etc.



Lafiel said:
sc94597 said:
Lafiel said:
sc94597 said:

So would you rather live in Wyoming, a state where many people own guns (59.7%), but only 1.4/100,000 people are murdered on average, per year, or in Washington D.C a U.S adminstrative region where guns are essentially illegal (3.6% of people own guns), but 21.8/100,000 people are killed per year on average. 

in germany, thanks

I'm sure there are parts of Germany where the homicide rate exceeds parts of the U.S. 

and I'm sure the moon would be utopia in that regard, still not my prefered place to live

My point was, owning guns does not increase homicide rates inherently, and there are places in the world with low homicide rates and high gun ownership. Your entire fear is based on that of murder. So there are two logical positions you can take when trying to understand why gun ownership doesn't bother some people. Murder by gun is worst than murder by something else, these other people don't believe that. I don't think anybody takes this position, but you can correct me. Higher gun ownership implies higher homicide rate, which is not necessarily true, and that is why I mentioned Wyoming vs. D.C (or practically any liberal state/city state that tries to restrict gun ownership - California, New York, Illinois, etc.) 



sc94597 said:
Lafiel said:
sc94597 said:

I'm sure there are parts of Germany where the homicide rate exceeds parts of the U.S. 

and I'm sure the moon would be utopia in that regard, still not my prefered place to live

My point was, owning guns does not increase homicide rates inherently, and there are places in the world with low homicide rates and high gun ownership. Your entire fear is based on that of murder. So there are two logical positions you can take when trying to understand why gun ownership doesn't bother some people. Murder by gun is worst than murder by something else, these other people don't believe that. I don't think anybody takes this position, but you can correct me. Higher gun ownership implies higher homicide rate, which is not necessarily true, and that is why I mentioned Wyoming vs. D.C (or practically any liberal state/city state that tries to restrict gun ownership - California, New York, Illinois, etc.) 

and my point was that where nobody lives nobody is killed by guns - Wyoming is pretty much the moon, I know, because I was there and my brother spent a whole year there

it's not that people aren't shooting there, they just have less chance to hit a person



NobleTeam360 said:
sundin13 said:


Assault rifles seems a tad extreme, don't you think?

It only becomes an Assault Rifle if you have the intent to kill or seriously injury somebody.Also no, a Rifle isn't extreme for home defense. Any gun has the ability to kill, people target rifles becasue they look scary. 


AR-15 and its brethren (whatever you want to call them) hold a number of advantages over handguns or shotguns when it comes to crime potential including larger capacity magazines and intermediate cartridges. The "self defense" potential on the other hand is virtually null, as the main advantages are the ability to do more harm with a single clip as well as increased range.

I think that someone who knows how to use a gun should be just fine with a pistol in most home defense situations



Maybe the problem is not really guns but the relation that americans have with guns. Something about the image of guns in the american culture.