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JustBeingReal said:
SpokenTruth said:


PS4 at 51 weeks - 1,089,117 

Wii U at 51 weeks - 1,212,088

 

What exactly are you trying to argue for?


If you bothered to read then you'd know.

Also Wii U sold 1,163,226 in 51 weeks according to VG Chartz, the PS4 numbers haven't been adjusted yet, but they should actually be higher than Wii U's, based on VG Chartz undertracking PS4, it's sold over 20.2M globally, which is official from Sony, declared numbers by the end of Feb 2015, VGChartz has PS4 at 19.4M sold by the 14th of Feb, that means PS4 is undertracked by several 100K globally.

There is no adjustment to be done, since vgc uses media create and famitsu to track japan sales. Just another point that you are wrong.



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Materia-Blade said:
JustBeingReal said:


If you bothered to read then you'd know.

Also Wii U sold 1,163,226 in 51 weeks according to VG Chartz, the PS4 numbers haven't been adjusted yet, but they should actually be higher than Wii U's, based on VG Chartz undertracking PS4, it's sold over 20.2M globally, which is official from Sony, declared numbers by the end of Feb 2015, VGChartz has PS4 at 19.4M sold by the 14th of Feb, that means PS4 is undertracked by several 100K globally.

There is no adjustment to be done, since vgc uses media create and famitsu to track japan sales. Just another point that you are wrong.


Of course there are adjustments to be done, PS4 sold more than VG Chartz says, unless you believe that PS4 sold 800K in 2 weeks globally, 19.4M is what VG says the sales were up until the 14th of Feb, Sony's official numbers were 20.2M for the end of Feb 2015, Japan would be partly responsible for those 800K sales up until the 28th of Feb, a portion would have to come from the weeks between the beginning of Jan, through to the end of Feb this year.

You haven't proven I'm wrong on any points I've raised here, the facts agree with me, not you.



JustBeingReal said:
Materia-Blade said:

There is no adjustment to be done, since vgc uses media create and famitsu to track japan sales. Just another point that you are wrong.


Of course there are adjustments to be done, PS4 sold more than VG Chartz says, unless you believe that PS4 sold 800K in 2 weeks globally, 19.4M is what VG says the sales were up until the 14th of Feb, Sony's official numbers were 20.2M for the end of Feb 2015, Japan would be partly responsible for those 800K sales up until the 28th of Feb, a portion would have to come from the weeks between the beginning of Jan, through to the end of Feb this year.

You haven't proven I'm wrong on any points I've raised here, the facts agree with me, not you.

Sigh. media create and famitsu numbers are accurrate, meaning any adjustments for any platforms is made elsewhere. Japan's numbers are accurrate.



Materia-Blade said:
JustBeingReal said:


Of course there are adjustments to be done, PS4 sold more than VG Chartz says, unless you believe that PS4 sold 800K in 2 weeks globally, 19.4M is what VG says the sales were up until the 14th of Feb, Sony's official numbers were 20.2M for the end of Feb 2015, Japan would be partly responsible for those 800K sales up until the 28th of Feb, a portion would have to come from the weeks between the beginning of Jan, through to the end of Feb this year.

You haven't proven I'm wrong on any points I've raised here, the facts agree with me, not you.

Sigh. media create and famitsu numbers are accurrate, meaning any adjustments for any platforms is made elsewhere. Japan's numbers are accurrate.


Sigh. Those companies can only go by the data they're given by retailers that work with them, they're not complete figures.

VGChartz isn't a complete source, it's very much estimates based on data formulae, so yes adjustments will have to be made, because those estimates need adjustment.



SpokenTruth said:
Right. So Media Create AND Famitsu were both wrong about PS4 but right about everything else? Retailers gave both Media Create and Famitsu correct numbers for everything but somehow under reported their PS4 sales? I mean, let's be real here.

Also, Wii U was at 1,212,088 at week 51.
http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/41609/Japan/

As for facts, you don't have any. You're making assumptions. You're assuming Media Create and Famitsu are wrong. You're assuming they'll make adjustments. You're assuming any difference in the gap between VGC numbers and actual sales is a sizable enough proportion in Japan to give PS4 an extra 123,000 units sold. Meaning you are assuming retailers under reported over 120,000 units of 1 device yet were perfect with all others.

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Why are people doubting that the PS4 will match the PS3 in sales because the PS4 is 'only' at 1.14M (1.19M according to mediacreate). Do you guys realize how many PS3's were sold in the first 14 months? 1.27M. That means the PS4 is only 80K behind with 9-10 more weeks of PS4 sales to go. And that's with 1 less holiday season, and virtually no software that appeals to the Japanese market (until recently).  In other words, the PS4 is currently selling at a slightly faster pace than the PS3.  And 2015 will be a much better year software wise with Persona 5, Bloodborne, SF:V, MGS5, FF etc, that have still yet to be released.  If the PS4 gets more developer support in Japan, there's no reason why the PS4 can't match or even exceed the PS3 in lifetime sales.



Given games to be released, its not logically possible for the wiiu not to get badly out sold LT Japan sales.



SpokenTruth said:
Right. So Media Create AND Famitsu were both wrong about PS4 but right about everything else? Retailers gave both Media Create and Famitsu correct numbers for everything but somehow under reported their PS4 sales? I mean, let's be real here.

Also, Wii U was at 1,212,088 at week 51.
http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/41609/Japan/

As for facts, you don't have any. You're making assumptions. You're assuming Media Create and Famitsu are wrong. You're assuming they'll make adjustments. You're assuming any difference in the gap between VGC numbers and actual sales is a sizable enough proportion in Japan to give PS4 an extra 123,000 units sold. Meaning you are assuming retailers under reported over 120,000 units of 1 device yet were perfect with all others.

I said Media Create and Famitsu don't have complete information, they have partial information, but they haven't sourced every single retailer in Japan. It's not wrong to say that both of those analysis are incomplete, it's actually correct.

20.2M in sales is a fact, those numbers didn't all come from Europe and the US, Japan is responsible for a decent portion of them.

It's a fact that VG Chartz lists sales up to the 14th of Feb at 19.4M, meaning that overall VG Chartz numbers will need to be adjusted, that includes Japan sales.

I'm not assuming the retailers that Media Create and Famitsu get data from are under reporting, I'm saying that both of those sites don't have data from all retailers in the country and Sony are the most accurate source of their own sales data, they know how many consoles are sold through, I'm making no assumptions, it's a fact that adjustments will need to be made, it's what always happens when official sales figures are given by a platform holder.



JustBeingReal said:
Materia-Blade said:

Sigh. media create and famitsu numbers are accurrate, meaning any adjustments for any platforms is made elsewhere. Japan's numbers are accurrate.


Sigh. Those companies can only go by the data they're given by retailers that work with them, they're not complete figures.

VGChartz isn't a complete source, it's very much estimates based on data formulae, so yes adjustments will have to be made, because those estimates need adjustment.

Japan won't.



SpokenTruth said:
Right. So Media Create AND Famitsu were both wrong about PS4 but right about everything else? Retailers gave both Media Create and Famitsu correct numbers for everything but somehow under reported their PS4 sales? I mean, let's be real here.

Also, Wii U was at 1,212,088 at week 51.
http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/41609/Japan/

As for facts, you don't have any. You're making assumptions. You're assuming Media Create and Famitsu are wrong. You're assuming they'll make adjustments. You're assuming any difference in the gap between VGC numbers and actual sales is a sizable enough proportion in Japan to give PS4 an extra 123,000 units sold. Meaning you are assuming retailers under reported over 120,000 units of 1 device yet were perfect with all others.

try pressing the quote button on the post you are "talking to". this way, he will see your response.