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dane007 said:
Tachikoma said:
looks good so far, but ive no idea on the mx100 series ssd, i can however recommend a samsung evo 840 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147372

Very good drive for the money.


Sweeet just wanted to be sure as the box of the 980 said minimum 500 watts..  Sweet will have a look :).  I did some research and according to tech reviews they are about the same in performance lol. The only thing i never heard of the brand XD. In nz they are selling crucial mx100 512gb SSD for 260 bucks which is cheap for nz standards . Yea i can't wait to  put it together and test games on it . 

the minimum requirement of 500 is actually for the entire system, its there estimate of what the lowest powered powersupply can be that will still work with the card, the card itself should only use around 165w on a reference design, so no higher than 200w on a modified design.



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Tachikoma said:

I would recommend a large capacity mechanical HDD, too.
You really don't want to be wasting ssd space on large downloads or general stored files.

Perfect solution is to install your OS, the latest drivers, and all essential applications, login to gmail and the sites you frequent, get everything running just how you like it then clone your SSD image to a file on your mechanical drive, that way if ever a virus reaps havok, or your ssd randomly dies and you need to have it RMA'd, you can be back up and running from your good backup within minutes.


Sweet. thank you for that advice :)



dane007 said:
Tachikoma said:
I would recommend a large capacity mechanical HDD, too.
You really don't want to be wasting ssd space on large downloads or general stored files.


Noob question here. Whats a mechanical HDD? Are those like the hybrid HDD i keep seeing?

mechanical is just a standard hard drive, (not ssd or hybrid), you can get them in rediculously large capacities for cheap now, i picked up a 3tb drive the other day for about $60.

Just attempt to find one that is 7200rpm rather than 5400rpm, as it makes file access a little faster.

It is best to use one to install your games and store your downloads and stuff on, rather than use the SSD, installing games to an SSD is only really useful for a small selection of games, the rest wont show much improvement in operation at all.

For your average game, install to the normal hard drive

For games that use heavy streaming from hdd assets, skyrim, gta, just cause, far cry, etc, install to SSD

Steam now lets you pick different drives to install games to now so it should be a pain free process.



Tachikoma said:
dane007 said:


Noob question here. Whats a mechanical HDD? Are those like the hybrid HDD i keep seeing?

mechanical is just a standard hard drive, (not ssd or hybrid), you can get them in rediculously large capacities for cheap now, i picked up a 3tb drive the other day for about $60.

It is best to use one to install your games and store your downloads and stuff on, rather than use the SSD, installing games to an SSD is only really useful for a small selection of games, the rest wont show much improvement in operation at all.

For your average game, install to the normal hard drive

For games that use heavy streaming from hdd assets, skyrim, gta, just cause, far cry, etc, install to SSD

Steam now lets you pick different drives to install games to now so it should be a pain free process.

I got a 3tb one. I wish they cost that low but sadly nz price are marked up hugely.  Are the  hybrid ones any good? Like are they alot faster then normal HDD?



dane007 said:
Tachikoma said:

mechanical is just a standard hard drive, (not ssd or hybrid), you can get them in rediculously large capacities for cheap now, i picked up a 3tb drive the other day for about $60.

It is best to use one to install your games and store your downloads and stuff on, rather than use the SSD, installing games to an SSD is only really useful for a small selection of games, the rest wont show much improvement in operation at all.

For your average game, install to the normal hard drive

For games that use heavy streaming from hdd assets, skyrim, gta, just cause, far cry, etc, install to SSD

Steam now lets you pick different drives to install games to now so it should be a pain free process.

I got a 3tb one. I wish they cost that low but sadly nz price are marked up hugely.  Are the  hybrid ones any good? Like are they alot faster then normal HDD?

hybrids more of a go between to use as a main hard drive, a throw back from when large capacity SSD was too expensive, in reality having an ssd as your OS drive and a mechanical as your storage drive ieliminates the need for a hybrid hdd.

they are much faster (depending on model) but for mass storage you wont really notice, and for game loading times the difference it would make is minimal (a few seconds here and there in games). theyre only really useful if you want a massive boot drive with better performance on the cheap, or if you do a lot of video capture/editing and want to have the capture hardware record 1080p/60fps to hdd without stutter in raw.

But you have a gtx980, you can just use shadowplay, it uses the cards internal hardware encoder to record and compress your gameplay, all the way up to 1080p/60fps, with audio, and optionally with mic and webcam overlay, direct to compressed video format which bypasses the need for super fast mass storage.

besides, if you are installing most games to hdd and saving the ssd for essential/os, then you can use the free ssd space as a store-pad, recording things to it then moving it manually to hdd when youre done.



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Tachikoma said:
dane007 said:

I got a 3tb one. I wish they cost that low but sadly nz price are marked up hugely.  Are the  hybrid ones any good? Like are they alot faster then normal HDD?

hybrids more of a go between to use as a main hard drive, a throw back from when large capacity SSD was too expensive, in reality having an ssd as your OS drive and a mechanical as your storage drive ieliminates the need for a hybrid hdd.

they are much faster (depending on model) but for mass storage you wont really notice, and for game loading times the difference it would make is minimal (a few seconds here and there in games). theyre only really useful if you want a massive boot drive with better performance on the cheap, or if you do a lot of video capture/editing and want to have the capture hardware record 1080p/60fps to hdd without stutter in raw.

But you have a gtx980, you can just use shadowplay, it uses the cards internal hardware encoder to record and compress your gameplay, all the way up to 1080p/60fps, with audio, and optionally with mic and webcam overlay, direct to compressed video format which bypasses the need for super fast mass storage.

besides, if you are installing most games to hdd and saving the ssd for essential/os, then you can use the free ssd space as a store-pad, recording things to it then moving it manually to hdd when youre done.

Ah okay, that make sense.  Thanks for that :) .  the SSD will be purely for OS stuff and some games.



A great PC build for sure! Would that GSkill be DDR3 or DDR4?



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OnlyForDisplay said:
A great PC build for sure! Would that GSkill be DDR3 or DDR4?


Thanks for that. Took awhile ot get build and got alot of advice from you guys so pretty much thanks you guys for the help :). Wanted to future proof it as much as possible.I can't wait to put them together and get it running!  Its DDR3. DDR4 is expensive and games do not require them.  I got the motherboard that can support it  so in future , if required, i jsut need to buy ram and it will be cheaper by then.



dane007 said:
OnlyForDisplay said:
A great PC build for sure! Would that GSkill be DDR3 or DDR4?


Thanks for that. Took awhile ot get build and got alot of advice from you guys so pretty much thanks you guys for the help :). Wanted to future proof it as much as possible.I can't wait to put them together and get it running!  Its DDR3. DDR4 is expensive and games do not require them.  I got the motherboard that can support it  so in future , if required, i jsut need to buy ram and it will be cheaper by then.

 

 

Hmmm.. Interesting. I thought that DDR3 cards were incompatible with DDR4 motherboards? Can you help me with this?



" It has never been about acknowledgement when you achieve something. When you are acknowledged, then and only then can you achieve something. Always have your friends first to achieve your goals later." - OnlyForDisplay

OnlyForDisplay said:
dane007 said:
OnlyForDisplay said:
A great PC build for sure! Would that GSkill be DDR3 or DDR4?


Thanks for that. Took awhile ot get build and got alot of advice from you guys so pretty much thanks you guys for the help :). Wanted to future proof it as much as possible.I can't wait to put them together and get it running!  Its DDR3. DDR4 is expensive and games do not require them.  I got the motherboard that can support it  so in future , if required, i jsut need to buy ram and it will be cheaper by then.

 

 

Hmmm.. Interesting. I thought that DDR3 cards were incompatible with DDR4 motherboards? Can you help me with this?

hmm, op might have a problem here, theyre not, the memory controller in the cpu is for ddr4 not ddr3

The motherboard also only takes DDR4 too.

 

OP  - return the ram for a refund, i assume it hasnt been opened yet, and buy some DDR4, its cheaper than changing the rest of the system to DDR3