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potato_hamster said:
method114 said:

 

Yes read the guy I quoted. He said this gen wont do as good because they aren't releasing anything new as far as ways to play games. He brought up online gaming and Motion control from last gen while ignoring the fact that VR is right around the corner this gen.

I thought so. But this is the internet, you never know when someone is serious or joking.



Yea I can understand that.

potato_hamster said:
cpg716 said:
Chris Hu said:
cpg716 said:
This will be a SHORTER generation BECAUSE.. 4k.. in two years 4k TVs will be the majority of SETS owned.. People are going to ask why they DONT have 4k gaming.. The PS3/X360 came out at the BEGINNING of 720p/1080p .. so they were able to ride out out.. the PS4/X1 came out at the beginning of 4k,, but WITHOUT support for it.. This will be the reason we will see a 5-6 year generation at BEST..

Nobody is in a rush to make or produce 4K programming and content its going to take a lot longer then 2 years before the 4K will be the majority of sets owned.



4K blue rays come out this year with over 100 titles ..   Amazon, Netflix, Sony and others are already streaming 4k content..  4k TV programming is coming this year from DirecTV.  so 2016 is the just the beginning of an onslaught of 4k HDR content.....  SO sorry.. in 2 years..  it will be a big deal.. By then 8k TVs will be normalizing in price.. lol

So what? Just because this technology is hitting the market doesn't mean that consumers as a whole will instantly gravitate to it. How many years did it take for Blu-ray to overtake DVD sales. Ohh right. It still hasn't happened.

Most people don't really care, and now the difference between 1080p and 4K is even harder to distinguish than the difference between 720p and 1080p to the average consumer from 8-10 feet away, and you expect them to eat this all up? Almost instantly? Not happeniing. Big deal or not, it'll be a long long while before Sony or MS can assume their average potential customer will have a 4K tv, and until that time they won't bother. That's something you might be able to say in 2020 or 2021, but certainly not in 2017 or 2018.



 


Agree completely. Even the 1080p adoption took a long time I don't see so many people being ready to abadon those TV's and switch to 4k TV's. Once 4k is the norm and it's hard to find 1080p Tv's (like it was to find 720p tv's eventually) then people will slowly start to switch because they'll have to or are looking for a new TV in another room, etc. Most of the poeple swtiching wont be doing it because they want 4k.



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105-110M at its best. Ofcourse a whole lot of other factors can still push it beyond the PS2's mark like on which year the hardware gets hacked and the price cut to the range of 200-250$. The library of PS2 is a gem. So getting there is something.



mountaindewslave said:

crazy prediction

generations are not going to last longer than they did in the past. The reason the PS2 managed to sell well for like a decade was because when it first arrived on the scene (that whole generation with Gamecube/Xbox) it was SUCH an improvement over the prior generation in terms of technology and visuals. Also the fact that it was coupled with a DVD player

constant micro improvements to computer gaming, which already has a large lead to consoles, will just further push console manufactuers to having shorter generational period

the problem with consoles currently is that they can't easily be improved or replaced in terms of parts. what you have at the start is what you have at the end in terms of hardware. 

which is a big reason why I think in the next 10 years you will see a giant leap to home computers and consoles merging. at this point computers have a massive advantage in terms of being able to replace parts as new games and technology arrives, and that will only grow

I mean realistically in 5 years a mid tier computer will be capable of playing games visually at such a higher level than the PS4 that it won't even be funny. as it stands mid tier computers can play games much better to begin with! just realistically you can't expect consumers to consistently purchase this system that far down the road

a 10 year life cycle is unrealistic. obviously expect the PS4 to pass 100 million in the next 2 or 3 years but its peak year is probably 2016 and undoubtedly another big console (besides the NX) will be released either prior to 2020 or right around then. mark my words. its just inevitable due to computer pressure and the possibilities that exist from decent PC's. people obviously will always still buy older systems but at the rate things could change in the next 5 years its unrealistic to expect it in the numbers you're predicting

things like the PS2 and the DS are exceptions and I would argue that the current PS4 dominance is partially DUE to Microsoft and Nintendo dropping the ball a bit. for all we know the NX could be a giant hit like the Wii and something like that alone would absolutely kill the momentum of the PS4 coming close to the milestone you suggest. too many variables that point to it not happening

if you had 5 more guranteed 2015 years then, yes, it would seem possible- but there is no example of a generation in which a system could maintain that sort of level of sales for so long. unless you doubt that 2016 is likely the peak year for the PS4 (it probably is though regardless of what you think)

 


Sonys generation lasts seven years before a console replacement (which means the PS4 has five years of life left). They have a ten year profitability plan which keeps the console on the market. Microsoft seems to be following suit. If Nintendo was smart they would join in but they are always the odd man out and will make their gamers switch consoles faster than need be. New IP's take 3-5 (or more ) years to make these days  and this is why Nintendo needs to stretch out their console lifespan.



DJEVOLVE said:
Imnus said:
Ttech. said:
Could be higher, I wonder how high it might sale at 199 and with a massive batch of AAAs titles.

You may be slightly underestimating.

I believe 2016 will be truly massive, Uncharted will be first sign of whats to come.

 

Yeah, I already pointed out a few posts above that these estimates are somewhat conservative, hence "at least 140 millions", given that in a really good year the PS4 sales could go as high as 25M and the momentum could be massive.

However I made this predictions only based on what we know now, there is some unknowns that could bring sales a lot higher, like VR catching on, a new mega franchise a la GTA appearing, etc.

 

Your prediction is impressive, only time can tell but one thing. When you write millions, you don't need the "S" at the end. It should be 140 Million or 140 Million Units. Million only needs to be plural if you're saying something like, "Millions of Ps4's are selling every year". Just wanted to help. I have grammar mistakes also but would rather them be corrected.

 

Thanks, that's gonna take some adjusting, given that I've been doing it like that for years and in Spanish (my native language) is millones (millions).

 

 

Shinobi-san said:
I think it all depends on what happens next year.

If the PS4 has a big year as you predict with ~21 million without a significant price cut then i think LTD numbers has an outside chance of reaching your LTD numbers.

Based on last gen, we saw a sharp decrease in sales once the new platforms came out, so we are not seeing that slow gradual slow down in sales as we did in the PS2 era. So i think your year 4, 5 and 6 estimates are too positive. If Sony releases a PS5 similar to the PS4, in year 5 or 6 then we will see a sharp decrease in sales for PS4. Especially if PS5 has a decent launch price.

 

The sharp decrease in sales once the new platforms came out is because the PS3 is still fucking $269.99, that's ridiculous against a $349.99 PS4, it hasn't even received a price-cut after PS4 release.

On the other hand the PS2 was $149.99 when the PS3 launched, the PS4 will be similar, it will be $199.99 when the PS5 launches. Though it probably be $149.99 at the lowest in it's life instead of $99.99 for the PS2, so the momentum should be less like I already took in account in my prediction.

Anyways the PS4 should be a lot more lively late in it's life than the PS3, though not quite as much as the PS2 given that the PS5 probably won't cost $600.



Imnus said:

So here I predicted that PS4 would be around 18M (it was 18.5M) and the XONE would be around 10M (it was between 9.5M and 10.5M).

Imnus said:

So, consoles usually sell around 50% of their annual total on the holidays. So I did some very simple math to see what can we expect:

PS4
4M by Dec 31, 2013
12M by Sep 31, 2014

8M Jan -> Sep 2014
8M Sep -> Dec 2014
16M - 2014 (Total)

20M - Total by Dec 31, 2014


XONE
3M by Dec 31, 2013
6M by Sep 31, 2014

3M Jan -> Sep 2014
3M Sep -> Dec 2014
6M - 2014 (Total)

9M - Total by Dec 31, 2014


Now my actual predictions are around 18M for the PS4 and 10M for the XONE by 31 Dec 2014. Why? Because XONE sales rely more heavily on the NA market where holiday sales grow the most.

 

Right now I think it's possible to make a pretty accurate estimate of the PS4 LTD Sales with some pretty basic math, I looked at trends from past consoles and I arrived at this:

PS4
Launch Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 
Year 4 Year 5 Year 6 Year 7 Year 8 Year 9 Year 10
YTD 4M 14M 17M 21M 20M 17M 15M 12M 8M 7M 5M
LTD 4M 18M 35M 56M 76M 93M 108M 120M 128M 135M 140M

10 Years LTD Sales
140M

6 Years LTD Sales (Next-Gen Launches on 2019)
108M

5 Years LTD Sales (Next-Gen Launches on 2018)
93M

 

This was done with considerably less momentum and longevity than the PS2, but still like a PlayStation console considering its grow in Europe, Asia (outside Japan), the Middle East and South America. If somehow Japan picks steam and/or China becomes a factor it could achieve 150M, in fact it could still achieve that, considering this is a conservative estimate.

In conclusion unless a very disruptive tech comes to the market similar like Smartphones were to Handhelds, I don't see how could the PS4 sell less than 140M, and even then it's pretty much impossible for something to be that disruptive so fast, Smartphones are probably the most disruptive piece of tech in human history (1:1 with population) and even then it took 3-4 years for Smartphones to destroy dedicated Handheld gaming. In that scenario I still see the PS4 over  100M or 120M depending when such tech arrives to the market.

 

 

For the XONE I won't be making detailed predictions because MS is behaving erratically so I don't know what could happen with the console, for example such aggressive price-cuts could move forward a ton of sales and help them gain back the mindshare in the US/UK but on the other hand it could kill public perception mid-longterm; also are they completely giving up outside US/UK; how many 1st Party developers could they form on time to help this gen; how many, how big and how difficult is for them to obtain 3rd Party exclusives, etc.

Anyways, I think the XONE should be around 50M-70M LTD.

OMG perfectly in line with my prediction :)      My forecast is 56M by the end of 2016 !



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You know, it will take forever to find out if op is correct... it will pass 100 million though. Thats almost a given.



ps4 won't have ps2 legs, because of the ps5. old tech does not have legs anymore these days! 
so no 140m + is out of reach

but ps4 + ps4.5 combined will for sure make 100m+
and that is a great accomplishment in a declining market



Not going to happen. Over 100 million seems certain, but it likely won't pass 120 million, let alone 140 million.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).