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deskpro2k3 on 15 February 2015
sundin13 said:
deskpro2k3 said:


Big Boss rank. Finish the game in 5 hours or less on hardest difficulty, without being seen or triggering alerts, and without using health meds. This goes for all MGS games.


...so you are essentially comparing speedruns for experts to casual first time playthroughs?


casual first timers can skip all the cutscenes, and/or play on easiest difficultly and finish it within 5-8 hours if they enjoy dying and killing enemies. Take it from someone who actually plays MGS, like myself. You can finish the game in less than 5 hours and not get Big Boss rank.



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Nate4Drake on 15 February 2015
GribbleGrunger said:
Impressions from a gaffer:

Before I proceed I'd like to state that these views and opinions are expressly mine and mine alone, and by no means should they undermine the game's chances for success come the official release date.

Let me try to keep it simple. Games are interactive and audiovisual, so that's all I'll be giving thoughts on out of respect for RAD. So, here we go.

First off, the obvious. Visuals & Presentation:

The Order 1886 is has a very explicit goal. That is, to be an authentically cinematic experience, complete with richly detailed period "sets", "wardrobe", "props", expert cinematography, lighting, etc. The team at Ready At Dawn have succeeded in every respect in recreating all of these elements which ultimately come together in a way never before seen in a video game. No detail is left unrefined, everything has such an expert level of craftsmanship and polish that it quite simply sets a new standard for production values and artistic integrity. Needless to say, both the film industry and the games industry would do wise to look at The Order as the current shining example of what the medium can achieve.

Now for more sobering thoughts. Gameplay:

Every notion of what some of you may consider to be proper game design has to be suspended. The game will hold your hand. It will walk you through areas. It will funnel you. It will bombard you with simple context sensitive button prompts and loads of sharply directed and acted cutscenes. For many, this is the bane of "cinematic" games, and that's the divisive crux in The Order. But for all those criticisms which can fairly be leveled against it, The Order succeeds because the physicality and feedback of the gameplay sections (which are by no means scarce) are so well executed and consistent with the games overall quality, that not allowing it its quirks would be to completely miss the point. Personally, I think it harkens back to Metal Gear Solid in terms of pacing, to Killzone 2 for its gunplay theatricality, and to Vanquish, for its replayability. It is by no means a short game, either. It's pacing is dictated by the unskippable cutscenes and expository quasi-interactive sections.

Story:

NO. Do yourself a favor and experience it like it was meant to be.

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Concluding remarks:

The Order 1886 is for lovers of old fashioned single player experiences. For those who want to see strong efforts in storytelling-focused games make a comeback. It's a highly curated museum piece for old-timey, story driven videogames, and if you cherish having a collection of finely produced games, then that's the value of The Order in a nutshell. If you're excited for a strong new IP with endless possibilities and want to see RAD put out new iterations of this level of quality, then give them the nod. I already have.

Thanks.

I already preordered it, but I'm happy to hear other very positive impressions.



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sundin13 on 15 February 2015
deskpro2k3 said:
sundin13 said:


...so you are essentially comparing speedruns for experts to casual first time playthroughs?


casual first timers can skip all the cutscenes, and/or play on easiest difficultly and finish it within 5-8 hours. Take it from someone who actually plays MGS, like myself. You can finish the game in less than 5 hours and not get Big Boss rank.


And casual first time players can beat The Order on normal difficulty in under 6 hours without skipping any of the cutscenes... Once again, main story runs of MGS4 go from 10.5hours rushed (quickest time out of the 322 who played the game for the main story only) to 32hours leisure with an average of 18.5hours. That is ignoring the extras and the multiplayer.

Comparing the two is quite a stretch...



deskpro2k3 on 15 February 2015
sundin13 said:
deskpro2k3 said:


casual first timers can skip all the cutscenes, and/or play on easiest difficultly and finish it within 5-8 hours. Take it from someone who actually plays MGS, like myself. You can finish the game in less than 5 hours and not get Big Boss rank.


And casual first time players can beat The Order on normal difficulty in under 6 hours without skipping any of the cutscenes... Once again, main story runs of MGS4 go from 10.5hours rushed (quickest time out of the 322 who played the game for the main story only) to 32hours leisure with an average of 18.5hours. That is ignoring the extras and the multiplayer.

Comparing the two is quite a stretch...


first bold, I won't comment on rumors, because some said the gameplay is 6 hours, and cutscenes is 4 hours.

Second bold is BS, It is more like 6-7 hours, and MGS4 doesn't have multiplayer anymore.

edit: your sources needs to get updated, and I think you should really play MGS4, it is a great game.



sundin13 on 15 February 2015
deskpro2k3 said:
sundin13 said:


And casual first time players can beat The Order on normal difficulty in under 6 hours without skipping any of the cutscenes... Once again, main story runs of MGS4 go from 10.5hours rushed (quickest time out of the 322 who played the game for the main story only) to 32hours leisure with an average of 18.5hours. That is ignoring the extras and the multiplayer.

Comparing the two is quite a stretch...


first bold, I won't comment on rumors, because some said the gameplay is 6 hours, and cutscenes is 4 hours.

Second bold is BS, It is more like 6-7 hours, and MGS4 doesn't have multiplayer anymore.


First of all, its not a rumor. Full playthroughs are available on Youtube, clocking under 6 hours

Second of all, I am getting my actual playtime data from How Long to Beat, which has data from over 400 people as well as information on forums. i will say that it seems like MGS4 has about 7 hours of cutscenes which is way more than any game should have, but that means that just the length of the cutscenes is longer than the entirety of the order.

PS: Its a bit irrelevant that MGS4 doesn't have multiplayer anymore. its also not 60$ anymore...



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GribbleGrunger on 15 February 2015
RolStoppable said:
The Order 1886 is the gift that keeps on giving. At this point it has already provided the haters with more hours of entertainment than it will to the people who have decided to like it.

As for this topic specifically, is the game really over 10 hours long?

It seems to differ depending how you play. People who enjoy exploration, seeking out all the tit-tits and playing more strategically, say they played it for between 10 - 12 hours. Those on Youtube that rush through it, don't explore, ignore all the tit-bits and run and gun on lower difficulty levels, have been seen to finish it between 6 - 8 hours.

Same as every game ever made ... but The Order is clearly a 'special' case.



 

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deskpro2k3 on 15 February 2015
sundin13 said:
deskpro2k3 said:


first bold, I won't comment on rumors, because some said the gameplay is 6 hours, and cutscenes is 4 hours.

Second bold is BS, It is more like 6-7 hours, and MGS4 doesn't have multiplayer anymore.


First of all, its not a rumor. Full playthroughs are available on Youtube, clocking under 6 hours

Second of all, I am getting my actual playtime data from How Long to Beat, which has data from over 400 people as well as information on forums. i will say that it seems like MGS4 has about 7 hours of cutscenes which is way more than any game should have, but that means that just the length of the cutscenes is longer than the entirety of the order.

PS: Its a bit irrelevant that MGS4 doesn't have multiplayer anymore. its also not 60$ anymore...


Regardless, with what you see on youtube about The Order, MGS4 is shorter, gameplay wise. You cannot deny the fact you can finish the game in around 4.5 hours because the game has incentives for you to speedrun it. Still it is a fun game and it received 94 on meta even for having a short gameplay.

So, what is the problem with The Order? I see no issues here.



GribbleGrunger on 15 February 2015
RolStoppable said:

In that case I'd say you should update the thread title with the suffix "if you play it slowly", because it's the right thing to do for accuracy's sake.

No it isn't. You don't judge a game on someone rushing though it, you judge a game on the average time it take to complete it. This is a 10+ hour game. Youtubers never play games like this properly because they fear their viewers won't subscribe or like the next video.



 

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Goodnightmoon on 15 February 2015
GribbleGrunger said:
RolStoppable said:

In that case I'd say you should update the thread title with the suffix "if you play it slowly", because it's the right thing to do for accuracy's sake.

No it isn't. You don't judge a game on someone rushing though it, you judge a game on the average time it take to complete it. This is a 10+ hour game. Youtubers never play games like this properly because they fear their viewers won't subscribe or like the next video.

And why you decide the duration of the game? Can you beat it for the first time in 6 hours? Yes, we have seen it (and btw it was not very good to say the least imo) so why you decide that it isn´t the duration? Is the king dressed? Because i´m seen it  nude.



Angelus on 15 February 2015
RolStoppable said:
The Order 1886 is the gift that keeps on giving. At this point it has already provided the haters with more hours of entertainment than it will to the people who have decided to like it.

As for this topic specifically, is the game really over 10 hours long?


Very true. And I'm gonna get like 6 more hours of entertainment when I watch my buddy play....uhm....no that's not the right word...push(?) through it this weekend. And afterwards we're gonna make a video on the devolution of QTEs as a core mechanic in games, contrasting them in Shenmue and The Order.

Should be a hoot.