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NightDragon83 said:
Barkley said:

It's within Nintendo's right to demand a part of the revenue but it's also incredibly stupid. Unless you're at the very very top of the pile you earn very little through youtube as it is.

Taking 40% of the revenue of someone who is advertising your product for free is ridiculous, there's a reason other companies haven't gone down this root.

Nintendo are just trying to grab money with this move and i've always viewed them as a pro-consumer company who are passionate about games and care about what they create first and foremost. This move has really thrown modern-nintendo into question for me. Are they not that company anymore?

Also Nintendo send the money to you in USD through PayPal, this means in countries with other currencies you have to pay associated fee's ontop of the 40% nintendo are taking.

Nintendo has always been about the money first and foremost.  Anyone who says otherwise is just kidding themselves.  Nintendo's legendary business practices of the 80s and 90s are such that if Sony or especially Microsoft tried to emulate them today, people would be screaming bloody murder.


Very true. Nintendo's totalitarian mentality in the 80s and up until the mid-90s worked when Atari was going tits up and when Sega was their only real competition. When Sony entered the game and allowed developers more freedom, the it was the beginning of the end for Nintendo and it has been a steady decline since(except for the Wii which was an anomoly whose success came from a fad/gimmick).  With Sony/Microsoft catering for third parties, almost everyone is done with Nintendo. I sincerely don't think the Wii U will sell more than the Gamecube at this rate and I don't have one iota of sympathy for the company. I love their games and have very fond memories of the NES/SNES/N64 era(GCN also to a lesser extent) but their mentality is puts me off enough to actually consider NOT buying a Wii U.



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ArchangelMadzz said:
You must all remember Nintendo can do no wrong.

Not a very useful comment. 

There are two discussions here:

Can Nintendo rightfully do this or not?

WIll this benefit Nintendo (as a profit seeking firm) or not? 

But of course you want to simplify things into fans vs. non-fans. There are many people on both sides of this question from a variety of backgrounds. 



Redgrave said:
He's only played two Nintendo games on his channel and they were both ROMs on the Project64 emulator. So basically, he's annoyed at Nintendo for not being able to make money off games he didn't buy?

Entitled Youtubers need to expire.


Oh yeah, that was Conker's bad fur day...



DonFerrari said:

2. That is exactly the reason why Nintendo and others should do it... have you ever saw any songmaker or record company trying to pass law or hunt down people who sing and perform on street??? Nope... but if you use someones song in a venue then you have to pay... so if you are using the share function a console offer to exchange experience with your friends none will care, but if you are making good money out of it them you should pay..

Are we all comunists in here to think Nintendo and the other companies aren't allowed the money generated by their IPs?


Thats the grey area though, because the money generated is not solely generated because of their content. Anyone can put up a lets play video, but not anyone can do it and make money off of it.

Ultimately thats what we debating here.



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sc94597 said:
Shinobi-san said:

1. Yes well aware of that. I still feel that they are not entitled to any of the revenue.

2. When i say long ago...i mean well before any youtuber was bringing in significant revenue. I can assure that had these youtubers been earning peanuts, Nintendo would not care.

Songs and Movies are different entertainments mediums to games, i think ive exaplined this in my previous post. Also, i know i make this seem like a black and white topic but really theres two sides here...and its a very grey subject. In my opinion though i dont feel its right for gaming publishers to claim revenue from the lets players, but i can understand how others would feel they should.

1. Well you might not have done the cost-benefit-risk analysis that Nintendo has done. 

2. Nintendo has ALWAYS been hostile to youtubers who made a profit, since its inception. It just so happen that youtube got more popular over time and Nintendo cracked down harder (and now less.)  

My point was that in both examples an IP is not reproduced fully. It is only partly reproduce. Nintendo games have individual creations within them (cutscenes, songs, characters) and if they feel that they don't like how these creations are being represented or reproduced in a profit-seeking environment, then - yes - they have a right to remove the content. If they feel that these creations are substantial to the success of another person's content, then yes they do have a right to demand a portion (not the whole thing) of revenue. Now I agree with others that this is a bad move on Nintendo's part, but again - I haven't done the same Cost-Benefit-Risk analysis that Nintendo has done. 

1. Dont see how that has any relevance to my stance on it. As a matter of principle, I do not feel that they are entitled to any of the profit.

My stance on this topic is not about whats legal and whats not, its about what i feel is the right thing to do. So yeah Nintendo's analysis means absolutely nothing to me in this regard.



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Well, this seems a bit stupid of Nintendo. They're fully within their rights to do it and I understand Nintendo are fiercely protective of their IP. However, the vast majority of publishers and developers have left the youtubers alone because they realised it was having a positive impact on their bottom line. Doing this just pisses off the people that were giving Nintendo extra coverage. They're effectively reducing online "word of mouth" marketing.



DigitalDevilSummoner said:
Dusk said:

Exactly.

So... one totally ignorant guy is agreeding with another (totally ignorant guy).  Awesome.

Let me help again:

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/how-pewdiepie-fired-skate-3-back-into-the-charts/0137447

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/13/nov/salestrends.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-67CvWTQ0I&feature=youtu.be&t=2m52

http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/HowardTsao/20140626/219785/Guns_of_Icarus_Online_PostMortem__Epilogue_How_Youtube_Steam_and_Our_Players_Got_Us_This_Far.php

You can give links all you want. Learn something about intellectual properties and the use of them then come back. Fact of the matter is that if Nintendo and the others weren't around he wouldn't have a channel. He is using portions of thier IP's for his own/sole gain. 



Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

Intrinsic said:
Dusk said:

So you think him profiting off of others work is doing them a favor? 

Go create something, wait for someone to steal a portion of what you made, then come back and share your insight.



And you fail to see the big picture. How much do you think Nintendo stands to make from youtubers showing parts of their game? 

How much do you think they have to make from people buying a WiiU and games from having watched one of such videos? 

What I am saying is simple, YouTube and someone playing my console is free marketing as far as I am concerned. I would rather have as many people see my games and hopefully end up buying my console, than they see more of my competitions games.


I think it's you that fails to see the big picture. This is not hypotheticals. It's IP's used without consent, that is the bottom line. It's copywritten materials used without permission. You may own the material for use, but not for distrobution in any form. 



Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

Dusk said:
Intrinsic said:

And you fail to see the big picture. How much do you think Nintendo stands to make from youtubers showing parts of their game? 

How much do you think they have to make from people buying a WiiU and games from having watched one of such videos? 

What I am saying is simple, YouTube and someone playing my console is free marketing as far as I am concerned. I would rather have as many people see my games and hopefully end up buying my console, than they see more of my competitions games.


I think it's you that fails to see the big picture. This is not hypotheticals. It's IP's used without consent, that is the bottom line. It's copywritten materials used without permission. You may own the material for use, but not for distrobution in any form. 

The same could be said of Sony, Microsoft or any big name publisher. Yet I'm not aware of any other publisher that has implemented a system like this. When youtube identified all these videos as copyrighted material, the big publishers asked video makers to contact them about any problems and they'd get them sorted (no financial penalty involved).

Nintendo are fully in their rights to introduce this system and to protect their IP. However, that doesn't mean it's a good idea, and the fact that other publishers haven't introduced this is telling. All Nintendo is achieving with this is to reduce the online "word of mouth" marketing that youtubers provide.



This seems to be one whole big non problem. People who are anti Nintendo see this as the biggest insult to gamers ever and mortally wounds the Wii U brand, and people who are pro Nintendo seem to think it's their right to copyright their own material and that the Wii U will still have massive boosts in hardware sales regardless when Zelda comes out, as well as smaller boosts for other main titles this year. Then there is a small fraction of in betweeners that typically don't care as it doesn't really concern them (this is the boat I'm in) or is a Nintendo fan who thinks this is a terrible plan, but not really enough people to really drive a discussion. Basically everyone wins!