why are people reading this and take it as the truth ?
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| kljesta64 said: why are people reading this and take it as the truth ? |
Because Adelman worked at Nintendo for nine years?
He likely knows a hell of a lot more than some random nobody on the internet.
Honestly this is one of the few articles on the net about Nintendo worth reading, a lot of the other stuff is just garbage.
Soundwave said:
Because Adelman worked at Nintendo for nine years? He likely knows a hell of a lot more than some random nobody on the internet. Honestly this is one of the few articles on the net about Nintendo worth reading, a lot of the other stuff is just garbage. |
he worked for nintendo japan ?
Tsubasa Ozora
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kljesta64 said:
he worked for nintendo japan ? |
NoA, but decently high up the chain (more or less ran the show for DSiWare and WiiWare, at least in terms of 3rd party games, as well as successors on the eShop), so he would definitely be privy to higher-end decisionmaking.
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Soundwave said:
Yamauchi was actually responsible for the push into the DS/Wii direction. I think even Iwata has said that directional shift came from Yamauchi, the idea to use two screens on the DS is also directly from Yamauchi. Of course Nintendo adjusts each generation, but out of the three console makers, I think Nintendo will definitely continue to be by far the most conservative of the group. Japanese business culture is incredibly heirarchial too, even Sony right now, Kaz cannot just snap his finger and get Sony out of the TV business, too many old, cold warriors within Sony wouldn't allow that to happen it would also be seen as bringing shame to Sony, etc. etc. As Westerners I think we actually don't understand all this stuff, we think it should all be easy and simple, but it most definitely isn't. |
Even today, Iwata still shows how influenced he was/is by Yamauchi.
And you are right, Nintendo will most likely always be conservative, but as you also mentioned, Nintendo does change and when faced with so many failures and straight annual losses in a span of just 3 years, when even their money making part of the business (handhelds) was shaken, i think it's safe to assume that things won't and can't stay the same and that bigger changes need to happen.
Nintendo fell a lot from the DS and Wii era. That will take its toll on anyone's ego and confidence.
Mr Khan said:
When confronted with a stronger competitor, an important distinction. They could and did defeat competitors like Hudson and Sega head-on. Then bigger fish got into the pond. They tried direct competition, or what passes for that at Nintendo, in the GameCube era. Despite Sony's debt problems, they can still swing more weight around than Nintendo by a good stretch. Microsoft sees Nintendo like a fly buzzing around its head, and as you yourself said, if Microsoft really cared about the industry, they would have owned it ten years ago, lock, stock, and barrel. What you're saying right now is like criticizing the Viet Cong for "turning tail and running when the U.S. Army showed up." That's how you live when you're a small guy operating in an arena dominated by people much larger than you. |
You bring up a more than valid point. However, a lot of people seem to think that the gamepad or going back to "dual analog" was Nintendo's way of trying to recapture the western market & have 3rd party support. With all that Wii/DS money, wouldn't investing into a proper next gen gpu/cpu (near XB1 specs) have been a wiser and more genuine attempt to recapture that market? Make the gamepad a true wifi and optional purchase, if its a hit, then its a great bonus for Ninty.
Nintendo blew its chance at making a proper comeback (for the western market, if that was their intent) after squandering Wii/DS profits and momentum. They should have learned from the XBox 360 how a 1 yr headstart with a true next gen offering can steal away marketshare. The Wii U confused everybody with a pseudo tablet and last gen specs. Its almost as if they were trying to deceive both the casuals and western market with a half ass offering, and failed hard. Now it seems Nintendo will aim to serve its own fanbase first with Fusion, after being pushed back to a humble reset.
Mr Khan said:
NoA, but decently high up the chain (more or less ran the show for DSiWare and WiiWare, at least in terms of 3rd party games, as well as successors on the eShop), so he would definitely be privy to higher-end decisionmaking. |
That's pretty low up the chain lol...
Mr Khan said:
NoA, but decently high up the chain (more or less ran the show for DSiWare and WiiWare, at least in terms of 3rd party games, as well as successors on the eShop), so he would definitely be privy to higher-end decisionmaking. |
i know its noa thats my point.. and still that doesnt make him know whats exactly going on.
i believe it when i hear it from nintendo japan.
Tsubasa Ozora
Keiner kann ihn bremsen, keiner macht ihm was vor. Immer der richtige Schuss, immer zur richtigen Zeit. Superfussball, Fairer Fussball. Er ist unser Torschützenkönig und Held.
kljesta64 said:
i know its noa thats my point.. and still that doesnt make him know whats exactly going on. i believe it when i hear it from nintendo japan. |
Nintendo Japan does not discuss internal business practises and certainly not with a Western media outlet. You're never going to get that interview.
Discussions from the Japanese side with the press are strictly promotional business (as in: this is our spring lineup, please enjoy).
Nintendo honestly might be one of the notoriously most secretive and strict corporate entities on the planet. I actually don't think that's much of a reach.
There's no reason to think Adelman is lying though, in fact out of all the garbage people read about Nintendo, this is one of the few things that actually has any real substance to it. To operate in his position he would have had to have had interface with the Japanese HQ, in fact given Nintendo's nature there's no way he would be allowed to run things like Wiiware autonomously as a foreigner.
| Soundwave said: Well I think Nintendo's issue is bigger than just one generation. Their issue is they're a company run by old Japanese farts who don't know the first thing about the modern market. As such I think the modern console market at least, which is almost entirely now made up of Western gamers and Western publishers, has simply passed Nintendo by. The generation can change, but if these factors are still the same then I think the result will largely be the same. They had a great run though particularily in the 80s/90s but I don't think they can be a force in the mainstream console market again unless they stumble onto a controller/gimmick miracle that can fuel them for another few years (and even then they will probably find a way to mismanage said fad after a few years). That said, I don't think Nintendo will ever go anywhere entirely, they can still make enough money to get by. It's just their relevance in the market probably won't ever be what it was in the past. But you can say the same thing about a dozen other giant Japanese companies ... does anyone give a sh*t about say Panasonic as a electronics brand these days? A lot of these once proud, giant Japanese brands are today bordering on irrelevance. |
This post really makes me feel sorry for Nintendo, because it's so true. And it sucks because there isn't a game dev out there that polishises games like they do and they have handled DLC like a fucking champion. No one can touch them in that department either.
Seeing a game like Splatoon is a glimmer of the future, of what Nintendo could be, but not for another 20 years. It's engaging, fresh, has a feeling of life to it. And while I know the internet is "a vocal minority", I've yet to hear anyone say "that game looks lame".
It's such a shame then that draconian old dinosaurs have to be in charge of how it's sold.
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