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Is XB1 a failure?

Yes! 615 40.51%
 
No! 711 46.84%
 
Gimme dem numbers! 68 4.48%
 
I pity Wii U :( 121 7.97%
 
Total:1,515
DanneSandin on 20 January 2015
Tachikoma said:

If the xbox is a failure, then the ps4 is only "not bad" and the wiiu is "atrociously failing" the reality is the xbox one is doing fine, the ps4 is doing great, and the wiiu is doing below average.

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Ljink96 on 20 January 2015

Success depends on one thing to a company: money. If Xbone isn't holding them back, which with the price cut I'm sure it is, then it'll be a TRUE success. Selling 11 Million is a success sales wise definitely. But that's just the outside.



ZarskiSold on 20 January 2015
DM235 said:
ZarskiSold said:
Welfare said:
No it's not. It's tracking ahead of every console besides the Wii, PS2, and PS4. People have to understand the PS4 is the market leader, and is going to have more sales compared to second place.


And that makes it a failure, i dont get why some are so scared of the word. 

If you are not the best #1 you have failed, its just a fact of the matter.  Evry counter argument is just opinion and felling but a fact is a fact.

30 teams try to win the Cup each year in the NHL, 29 fail to do it.  That makes them failures, that it.

I love it that you brought hockey into this argument...

The Toronto Maple Leafs have failed to win the cup in over 40 years.  However, they are league's most valuable team, and second highest in revenue and income.  I would not call them a failure (specifically in the business sense).

Well business wise X1 is a failure, sales wise market wise.  Soemone already made a post that shows in most wasys the X1 is a falirure.

Just like the Leafs are a faliure to do what all NHL teams attempt to do, win the cup.  

Fail is a fail, people need to stop being scared of faliure.  



ZarskiSold on 20 January 2015
Protendo said:

When you look at the Xbox One's history from a corporate/business/stockholder's perspective:

Original Policy: Failed (reversed)
Original Pricing: Failed
Free games bundled at original price: Failed
Kinect-less model achieving price parity: Failed
Maintain or Gain Market Share US/UK: Failed
Gain Market Share outside of US/UK: Failed
Xbox Entertainment: Failed
Maximize Xbox Live profits: Failed (forced to give free games eating into profits to compete)
Ability to keep apps behind paywall to maximize subscribers: Failed (Force to compete)
Hardware designs from a performance perspective: Failed (PS4 is more powerful)
Hardware designs from a financial perspective: Failed (While it was true before the release. The cost of DDR3 has constantly gone up, and is going up to the point where Microsoft is rumored to have some major R&D design changes to DDR4, which is costly) 


Based on the above, I have a hard time seeing the Xbox One as a business success.

 

Bravo, yetsome want to pretand its not.

Makes no sense to me really, Sony faield with the PS3 Ninty with Wiiu and MS with the X1.  Whats so hard to accept reality ?



Protendo on 20 January 2015
ZarskiSold said:

Well business wise X1 is a failure, sales wise market wise.  Soemone already made a post that shows in most wasys the X1 is a falirure.

Just like the Leafs are a faliure to do what all NHL teams attempt to do, win the cup.  

Fail is a fail, people need to stop being scared of faliure.  

I couldn't agree more.  Xbox One's failures have ended up in a lot of wins for gamers!

Strengthening First Party (Huge win for gaming)
Xbox Live gives free games (Win for gamers)
Xbox Live no longer puts apps behind a paywall (Win)



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ZarskiSold on 20 January 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
ZarskiSold said:
Welfare said:
No it's not. It's tracking ahead of every console besides the Wii, PS2, and PS4. People have to understand the PS4 is the market leader, and is going to have more sales compared to second place.

And that makes it a failure, i dont get why some are so scared of the word. 

If you are not the best #1 you have failed, its just a fact of the matter.  Evry counter argument is just opinion and felling but a fact is a fact.

30 teams try to win the Cup each year in the NHL, 29 fail to do it.  That makes them failures, that it.

No it doesn't. Being #1 isn't the be all end all. Something can be succesful without being #1. Not everything is a competition and even if it was you can still be succesful without winning. You used a hockey example, but I'm more familiar with football so I'll go with that. Arsenal hadn't won a trophy for many years but they qualified for the top club competition pretty much every year, for them that was a successful season. Then there are the lower down teams that don't have a chance of actually winning, for them success is just staying in the division.


I fail to see a correlation with a championship side just happy to "be in the top league" and MS one of the richest most powerfull corporations in the world.  

Especialy how MS them selves said they are in it to freakling WIN it, not to be second to any oen especially a broke ass sony.



IFireflyl on 20 January 2015
DanneSandin said:
IFireflyl said:
DanneSandin said:
IFireflyl said:

I'm not really sure why this topic exists. I'm not trying to be mean, but you already gave the numbers, and the only logical answer is that the Xbox One is not a failure. If it were a failure it wouldn't have moved so many units. That would be like asking if the PS3 was a failure at the end of its first full year of sales. Sony was being destroyed by Microsoft in terms of sales. They ended up catching up, and then surpassing Microsoft. I personally don't see Microsoft surpassing Sony unless they get some major game changers in (e.g. Xbox exclusive titles that people actually want), but Microsoft has too much money, and too much influence to just roll over because Sony is doing better than them at the beginning of the current-gen "console wars". Microsoft knows the gaming market is huge, and they won't back out of it. This discussion is kind of pointless because anyone with half a brain already knows that.

Is that really the only logical answer though? It can't really compete with PS4 and it's probably been costing MS quite a bit, and they had to lose the Kinect. I don't think it's as black and white as you make it out to be


How can't it compete with the PS4? Did you read the first part I said about Microsoft destroying Sony with the last-gen console start, and then Sony making a huge comeback and surpassing Microsoft? Microsoft can compete with Sony. They just need to make some changes (much like Sony had to with the PS3).

Edit: And losing the Kinect means nothing. If the biggest money-maker for Microsoft was the Kinect then that was a huge problem in the first place. The Kinect is a piece of garbage hardware that was implemented as a piss-poor attempt to take over the Wii-U market.

Here: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=151051&page=1#1 It's quite apparent PS3 never were far behind X360 and didn't make a huge comeback. That come back is a myth. Their only good markets are US and UK, you can't compete on those two markets alone. And remember that MS wants to earn money from XB1, and they can't make all that much from it right now

And I think you'll find that Protendo will have quite some interesting things to say about this.


You're obviously not reading the same numbers as I am. The Xbox 360 launched in November 2005. The PS3 launched in November 2006. If you think that there wasn't a huge gap in sales in that year then I can't help you. You're on the VGChartz website. Just look it up. In the first two months alone Xbox 360 sold over 1 million units. I didn't even bother totalling the next 9-10 months of 360's sold, and where PS3 sold 0 consoles.



 

nanarchy on 20 January 2015

Xbox is a business, from a business perspective it is very successful, not as successful as they would have liked but successful none the less. It is faster selling that its predecessor and without the massive losses the predecessor had to take in the early years, has excellent 1st and 3rd party support and a solid future (assuming they can maintain momentum). No it isn't going as well as the PS4 but it doesn't have to in order to be a success.



archer9234 on 20 January 2015

I'm gonna side with so far yes. My reasoning is that it took a lot of price cuts to get it where it is now. When the PS4 did nothing. But it is doing positive in a lot of areas.



ZarskiSold on 20 January 2015
nanarchy said:
Xbox is a business, from a business perspective it is very successful, not as successful as they would have liked but successful none the less. It is faster selling that its predecessor and without the massive losses the predecessor had to take in the early years, has excellent 1st and 3rd party support and a solid future (assuming they can maintain momentum). No it isn't going as well as the PS4 but it doesn't have to in order to be a success.

Seems to MS its beat them or failure.  

Phil Spencer admits both the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One are doing "incredibly well," the new head of Xbox says "that’s good for the business, but we’re in this to win."

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/03/31/microsoft-we-are-in-this-to-win-focusing-on-games-at-e3