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Samus Aran on 30 December 2014
blackjackk said:

Eh I don't think ALL developers are paid 10k a month. Probably not even 10% make that kind of dough. I know you're factoring in other costs, but still that's incredibly high considering a lot of those are already paid for and they don't pay for dev kits and a lot of those things more than once.

 

"So let’s do that for Shovel Knight!  These days, most studios will put the average cost of a developer on a game at around a $10k man month.  What does that mean? Essentially, each developer will cost the company 10,000 dollars a month or 120,000 dollars a year.  Now, of course, not every developer on the team makes that much money and often, NONE of the developers on the team make that much money.

That’s because this monthly $10k goes into much more than just paying the salary of the employee.  It covers any and all expenses accumulated from having that employee on site.  That includes not only individual expenses for the employee like salary, health insurance, etc but also company expenses like rent, electricity, water, food/snacks, conventions, computer and other equipment, software licenses, lawyer fees, taxes, development kit expenses…the list goes on and on"

READ. 



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blackjackk on 30 December 2014
Samus Aran said:
blackjackk said:

Eh I don't think ALL developers are paid 10k a month. Probably not even 10% make that kind of dough. I know you're factoring in other costs, but still that's incredibly high considering a lot of those are already paid for and they don't pay for dev kits and a lot of those things more than once.

 

"So let’s do that for Shovel Knight!  These days, most studios will put the average cost of a developer on a game at around a $10k man month.  What does that mean? Essentially, each developer will cost the company 10,000 dollars a month or 120,000 dollars a year.  Now, of course, not every developer on the team makes that much money and often, NONE of the developers on the team make that much money.

That’s because this monthly $10k goes into much more than just paying the salary of the employee.  It covers any and all expenses accumulated from having that employee on site.  That includes not only individual expenses for the employee like salary, health insurance, etc but also company expenses like rent, electricity, water, food/snacks, conventions, computer and other equipment, software licenses, lawyer fees, taxes, development kit expenses…the list goes on and on"

READ. 


Still 10k a month is probably a high estimate. You can't factor in all of that stuff every month.



TheWPCTraveler on 31 December 2014
blackjackk said:
Samus Aran said:
blackjackk said:

Eh I don't think ALL developers are paid 10k a month. Probably not even 10% make that kind of dough. I know you're factoring in other costs, but still that's incredibly high considering a lot of those are already paid for and they don't pay for dev kits and a lot of those things more than once.

 

"So let’s do that for Shovel Knight!  These days, most studios will put the average cost of a developer on a game at around a $10k man month.  What does that mean? Essentially, each developer will cost the company 10,000 dollars a month or 120,000 dollars a year.  Now, of course, not every developer on the team makes that much money and often, NONE of the developers on the team make that much money.

That’s because this monthly $10k goes into much more than just paying the salary of the employee.  It covers any and all expenses accumulated from having that employee on site.  That includes not only individual expenses for the employee like salary, health insurance, etc but also company expenses like rent, electricity, water, food/snacks, conventions, computer and other equipment, software licenses, lawyer fees, taxes, development kit expenses…the list goes on and on"

READ. 


Still 10k a month is probably a high estimate. You can't factor in all of that stuff every month.

This. I honestly think a lot of those people were pried away from Captain Toad for another game, especially when it takes this game half the time to develop as its parent, which was much more ambitious.



 
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Frogger on 31 December 2014

I couldn't justify paying more than $15 for an experience like this. Looks like a cute little distraction, and honestly looks like a concept that might be better served on a portable console, as it was inspired by a rubik's cube.

I feel like your score reflects what I'd think about it, though.



POE on 31 December 2014
RolStoppable said:
DolPhanTendo said:
I did not see you mention the Bonus levels with 3D World. If you have 3D World you can use Captain Toad in a variety of 3D Worlds which they convert for the non-jumping Captain. That is plus in itself!

If you have a save file of 3D World, the first one of those levels is unlocked without the player having to do anything. Without such a save file, the game has to be beaten first. There is no exclusive content for owners of Super Mario 3D World.


What?
The complete Bonus is only availabe if you have Super Mario 3D World. 

SPOILERS: The last stage is the best thing ever dreated by man, hours and hours of insanity. Im talking about the endless mummy maze.



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POE on 31 December 2014
RolStoppable said:
POE said:

What?
The complete Bonus is only availabe if you have Super Mario 3D World. 

Is that confirmed? I mean, is there anyone who doesn't have a Super Mario 3D World save file?

Yes it is confirmed... i think so :D



MoHasanie on 31 December 2014

I really want this game cause it looks like lots of fun but I'll get it when its cheaper. Unfortunately Nintendo games take a long time to get price cuts so I probably won't get it for another year.



    

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S.Peelman on 31 December 2014

The funny thing is this game is technically in the same genre as Bugs Bunny's Crazy Castle.



Faxanadu on 31 December 2014
TheWPCTraveler said:
blackjackk said:
Samus Aran said:
blackjackk said:

Eh I don't think ALL developers are paid 10k a month. Probably not even 10% make that kind of dough. I know you're factoring in other costs, but still that's incredibly high considering a lot of those are already paid for and they don't pay for dev kits and a lot of those things more than once.

 

"So let’s do that for Shovel Knight!  These days, most studios will put the average cost of a developer on a game at around a $10k man month.  What does that mean? Essentially, each developer will cost the company 10,000 dollars a month or 120,000 dollars a year.  Now, of course, not every developer on the team makes that much money and often, NONE of the developers on the team make that much money.

That’s because this monthly $10k goes into much more than just paying the salary of the employee.  It covers any and all expenses accumulated from having that employee on site.  That includes not only individual expenses for the employee like salary, health insurance, etc but also company expenses like rent, electricity, water, food/snacks, conventions, computer and other equipment, software licenses, lawyer fees, taxes, development kit expenses…the list goes on and on"

READ. 


Still 10k a month is probably a high estimate. You can't factor in all of that stuff every month.

This. I honestly think a lot of those people were pried away from Captain Toad for another game, especially when it takes this game half the time to develop as its parent, which was much more ambitious.

Actually 120k is a good estimate. I often use between 100k-120k Euro for all in employee costs in IT companies. Is a figure that holds up well, even against benchmarks.

I think where he got it wrong is assuming that all 75 people worked on the game for a full year. I would assume an average of maybe 6-8 months per listed member.



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Anfebious on 31 December 2014

The only thing I hated was that last stage... The maze with the Mummies that goes for 50 stages... it's incredibly hard! It took me a lot of tries and I was close to surrender. That stage is hell.



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