Are we seriously arguing if there should be a sequel to one of the best games ever made? ..
Are we seriously arguing if there should be a sequel to one of the best games ever made? ..
Great...err...news?
“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Jimi Hendrix
Joel and Ellie's story is done. The ending is not a cliffhanger, that's how it's supposed to end.
I hope they use new characters.
No troll is too much for me to handle. I rehabilitate trolls, I train people. I am the Troll Whisperer.
spemanig said:
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The writing says that the story is absolutely NOT over...
Spoilers.
Ellie knows Joel lied to her and the story stops right there. What happens next? Does she forgive him? Does she run away and try to unattach herself from him? Does she stay and try to start civilization in Tommy's camp? Would be cool if TLOU 2 was semi open world and you have to go out and find supplies for armies camp and defend it etc.
Even Naughty Dog say Joel and Ellie's story is over. They're gonna use different characters:
http://www.gamesradar.com/last-us-ripe-more-stories-joel-and-ellies-over/
"I think the world [of The Last of Us] is ripe for more stories, but as far as the journey Joel and Ellie goes on it ends with this game," Creative Director Neil Druckmann said. "We were very conscious that we didn’t want to leave this story dangling. If we never do a sequel we’re ok with it, because we told the story we needed to tell."
I hope they stay true to that. I agree with spemanig, The ending is not about "OMG what will happen now, they didn't save the world".
It's a personal story. Joel lies to Ellie, he swears he's telling the truth, she says "OK". The end. We're not meant to find out what happens after that. That's the story of these characters.
I'm not opposed to the idea of a sequel in the same universe, if it's done very well. But Joel and Ellie are done, please don't bring them back.
No troll is too much for me to handle. I rehabilitate trolls, I train people. I am the Troll Whisperer.
spemanig said:
You want to know a company that didn't and to the best of my knowledge isn't doing it? That Game Company. Journey. |
maybe you should listen to yourself. the last of us is barely a year old and if ND could improve on the story and make it better than the first, who are we to say no?
who are you tell an author when and what he should write or how to express a beautifyul world he imagines.?
besides your example is not very solid since journey's cant exactly be compared to a rich story driven world of possiblities such as thelastofus. Once again your annoyance is severely misplaced.
BraLoD said: I don't know why you are trying so much, but just stop. You are just making people angry at you by no reason. |
The people that are excited are excited because it's a game and successful games historically just get sequels and because they liked the game they think it should get a sequel too. It's conditioning. That doesn't justify there being a sequel. Most of those people wouldn't be saying the same things if it was done to a book or movie with a plot like this, because they, in most cases, know how to respect the power of one. I don't know who ultimately made the desision to make a sequel to that game, but they clearly don't. Most gamers have been conditioned not to even realise that there is a power of one. The fact that people still want a Metroid Prime 4 proves that. The fact that there's a Super Mario Galaxy 2 and people are okay with it proves that. The fact that there might be a TLOU2 and people are okay with it proves that.
It doesn't matter if the world was saved. TLOU isn't about saving the world. It's about a man coping with the death of his daughter, and that man's story is done. That man's arc has ended. There's nothing interesting or significant left to say about Joel coping with the loss of his daughter that merits an entire new and full story arc, and there's nothing that the world or Ellie have to add to that either. Not enough to warrent another full narrative.
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And I don't care if people don't like what I have to say. You live in the real world. People are going to have opinions that piss you off. When that happens, you're only choice is to deal with it. You know what trying to silence people whose differing opinions make you mad or sad is called? Censorship. I'm not harming or insulting anyone by saying making a sequel to TLOU spits in the face of the story it tries to tell. It annoys me that people are actually okay with this, but you don't see me, then, going around trying to tell everyone to "please leave the thread so I can be pissy about TLOU2." I'm embracing the fact that people are different from me and partaking in healthy debate about why's and why nots. This is a forum. It's not meant to be a place where we all hold hands and agree. It's a place where intellects trade opinions on topics. This isn't Miiverse.
overman1 said: maybe you should listen to yourself. the last of us is barely a year old and if ND could improve on the story and make it better than the first, who are we to say no? who are you tell an author when and what he should write or how to express a beautifyul world he imagines.? besides your example is not very solid since journey's cant exactly be compared to a rich story driven world of possiblities such as thelastofus. Once again your annoyance is severely misplaced. |
Who am I? A critic. That's what critics do. That criticize what aught to be criticized. Writers are people with flaws, and those flaws can carry over into their writing, and us, as critics, criticize those flaws.
And of course Journey can be compared to TLOU, in this particular discussion. They are two games with nothing more to say once that conclude.
The world in TLOU is paper thin. The characters are what made TLOU, not the setting. It could have been set somewhere else, and have been compelling in the same exact way story wise. The only integral thing that zombies add are something to shoot at and not feel bad about it.
spemanig said:
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Wow. Dramatic.
TLoU was an amazing game made by an amazing team of developers who have one of the best track records for videogames in the industry. They are an experienced bunch of individuals who have well structured projects that always make sense to them and their standards. Integrity is worth NOTHING to an industry and consumers who don't care for it. Are you honestly expecting TLoU 2 to be this game that ruins the first one? Do you realize how many movies, books, videogames and stories were thought 'complete', or could exist in their own right, before sequels were made to great success in the eyes of producers and consumers alike?
How do you know that ND has nothing else to visit in the world of TLoU universe? lol, how do you know this? What does the setting have to do with the integrity of TLoU? Did you write the laws of the universe that dictate "If someone tries to write a sequel to a game, it will lose all intergrity!!" That's like saying The Lord of the Rings books/movies shouldn't exist since they expand upon the Hobbit since the Hobbit is its own complete story.
TLoU was great not because of the plot or the settings or the circumstances that unfolded but by the progression at which the story was told, character development and many other things. Setting/plot have nothing to do with quality of the first game/book/whatever or even its sequel as evidenced by the fact that there are critically acclaimed content from every imaginable setting/plot possible. Any plot within any setting can be great and complimentary when done correctly and this applies to sequels as well.
TLoU sequel may not have the same plot in the first place, it may just take place in the same universe but be a whole new adventure a la The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. Is The Lord of the Rings a shit in the face to the Hobbit? Is The Bourne Supremacy/Ultimatum a slap in the face to the people who like the novel or movie of The Bourne Identity? These, and many, many, MANY stories can exist by themselves or were considered complete before sequels were made.
The Bourne series being a good example against your claim because it is very linear but was able to expand greatly not because of setting or plot but because of the development of the story and the characters. TLoU team is a master at this craft and the sequel should not dissapoint in the expansion of the huge potential that this universe has.
Bottom line is, there's always a story to tell and if you think TLoU sequel quality is endangering the integrity of TLoU then thats your sorry problem. TRoU will sit back and enjoy what may be the game of that year.
Why the hell would he put that on there? is he retarded?