Not gonna argue this any further. We have differing ideas on what makes a game playable and whatnot, and for me the simple fact that MCC is mostly fixed and is getting better every week is good enough. I don't find a game with no matchmaking options for important modes (I'm a college student, I have little time to scout out other players and set time aside to play raids with them) to be playable, since by definition I'm completely and frustratingly locked out. I play randomly whenever I have some time, and according to Bungie that's not good enough, and it's the same problem with thousands of other players.

If you have no problem with things like that, good on you. We simply happen to differ in some opinions. Goodbye and good day.

I didn't bring in the opinions here, that's on you ... 

When did I say that MCC was playable day 1? It wasn't, but saying that Destiny was perfect would be a mssive overstatement. Destiny had plenty of matchmaking issues and balancing issues.

For me, one month after the realease of MCC, MCC is more playhable. Why? I'm locked out of an entire mode (raids) in Destiny just because I can't put together 6 people willing to spend a few hours doing a mission. For me, that mode is completely unplayable, while I can play any of the modes in MCC with little to no trouble now. Nothing to do with expectations and enjoyment and everything to do with Bungie's insistence on not working on the matchmaking to make it more accessible.

What I consider to be "playable" is simply vastly different than what you believe, I suppose. Yes, 343 screwed up big time by releasing MCC multiplayer incomplete, but it has gotten leaps and bounds better, while Destiny has left me with shattered expectations and hasn't fixed it. That's why I included it in the OP- not because it had game breaking glitches, but because it is a lackluster game that will remain lackluster, no matter what happens. MCC could at least be improved.

How is Bungie's fault that you can't get 6 people together to play a game? Go on Gamefaqs and get some gamertags like everybody else. I don't know if you've actually attempted to play MCC with friends but it's a gigantic shitshow. Takes a dozen tries just to get into the same lobby, then you have to hope to God you can find a match without it disconnecting one of you. When you finally do get into a match you're almost always on different teams. Try playing Co-op campaign and good luck beating a single mission with all the disconnects and lag. 

MCC is not in a playable state. It has yet to be in a playable state and I've pretty much shelved the game until 343 gets their shit together. If they ever do. 

I wonder ... 

Would Bungie have done a better job than 343 would have for MCC ...

I don't think it matters because Microsoft would have still demanded for it to release in the holidays even in an unfinished state. 

Your going to pin this as being Microsoft's fault ? 

How is Bungie's fault that you can't get 6 people together to play a game? Go on Gamefaqs and get some gamertags like everybody else. I don't know if you've actually attempted to play MCC with friends but it's a gigantic shitshow. Takes a dozen tries just to get into the same lobby, then you have to hope to God you can find a match without it disconnecting one of you. When you finally do get into a match you're almost always on different teams. Try playing Co-op campaign and good luck beating a single mission with all the disconnects and lag. 

MCC is not in a playable state. It has yet to be in a playable state and I've pretty much shelved the game until 343 gets their shit together. If they ever do.