MikeB said: @ starcraft The 360 exclusives include shooters, story-driven epics and an RPG, the Wii games included a platformer and a Zelda game and the PS3 games....weren't on the list. Oblivion is ranked above 93% for the 360, however there's no denying the PS3 version is better (720p vs 600p, far less loading interuptions, longer view distance, more content, etc), so it all means little. I played the PGR games, but I have far much more fun with Motorstorm. For online shooter multi-player I prefer Warhawk, for great story and gameplay I prefer Uncharted, for a platformer I prefer Ratchet & Clank TOD, for online store games I prefer Super Stardust HD, for backwards compatible titles I prefer God of War 2, etc. It really comes down to personal taste.

This is true enough, but you have to understand that your taste is nothing like the mainstream.  Given enough money for one console only, most gamers would pick SMG over R&C for platformers, Mass Effect and Bioshock over Uncharted for story, Halo 3 and GeoW over Warhawk for online shooting, and PGR4, Forza 2 (or hell Need for Speed Pro Street) over Motorstorm (that game was frustratingly boring).

@starcraft, do i need to buy x360 in order to play those "exclusives" ?
Is buying x360 the ONLY way to play those games?

YES or NO.

Btw, those 90% "exclusives" don`t help x360 to outsell ps3, i wonder, WHY? =)) Maybe, because NOT so exclusives after all... =)

x360 has NOTHING to appeal to new x360 customer this year.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Understanding-Maths-Mathematics-Explained-Studymates/dp/1842850237

 

NOTE THIS IS PURELY SPECULATION

I belive the PS3 will easly pass the 360 buy years end. This is based on my belief that Sony is going to do a few things along the way.

1. If MS cuts the 360 price before GTA4, Sony must follow.
2. Sony gets their Music and Movies download service ready by spring as predicted.
3. Blu-ray spec 2.0 comes out and the format as a whole is pushed buy all backers during the summer blockbusters
4. Sony does not launch Home until it is ready, and once it is they advertise the hell out of it.
5. Little Big Planet, must have major advertising, on the scale of Halo.
6. Killzone 2 shows up and is within reason as to what is expected.
7. IPTV service is introduced by fall in the US.
8. Sony has Price Parity with Mircosofts equivilant by years end

If most of this happens this year, most notably 1,2,3,4,5, and 8 I would be surprised to see 360 still ahead buy years end.

starcraft said: MikeB said: @ starcraft The 360 exclusives include shooters, story-driven epics and an RPG, the Wii games included a platformer and a Zelda game and the PS3 games....weren't on the list. Oblivion is ranked above 93% for the 360, however there's no denying the PS3 version is better (720p vs 600p, far less loading interuptions, longer view distance, more content, etc), so it all means little. I played the PGR games, but I have far much more fun with Motorstorm. For online shooter multi-player I prefer Warhawk, for great story and gameplay I prefer Uncharted, for a platformer I prefer Ratchet & Clank TOD, for online store games I prefer Super Stardust HD, for backwards compatible titles I prefer God of War 2, etc. It really comes down to personal taste. This is true enough, but you have to understand that your taste is nothing like the mainstream. Given enough money for one console only, most gamers would pick SMG over R&C for platformers, Mass Effect and Bioshock over Uncharted for story, Halo 3 and GeoW over Warhawk for online shooting, and PGR4, Forza 2 (or hell Need for Speed Pro Street) over Motorstorm (that game was frustratingly boring).

Of course some of the games you mention may be better known by people as they are sequels to previously popular games, but PGR3/4/Need of Speed are boring to me in comparison to Motorstorm, Motorstorm feels like something new (or oldskool, as Stunt Car Racer is a little similar in terms of gameplay => hopping over each other, boost, etc).

Motorstorm boring?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE1fTmdfB2s

Lag free online gameplay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwRpfdepfV8

(The game looks a lot better though on a HDTV screen with proper color settings)

CrazzyMan said: @starcraft, do i need to buy x360 in order to play those "exclusives" ? Is buying x360 the ONLY way to play those games? YES or NO. Btw, those 90% "exclusives" don`t help x360 to outsell ps3, i wonder, WHY? =)) Maybe, because NOT so exclusives after all... =) x360 has NOTHING to appeal to new x360 customer this year.

I don't know if you need to buy a PS3 to play GeoW, but most people do, as they don't have a computer capable of it.  The vast majority of console gamers simply would never touch a gaming PC.  And if you wish to play Halo 3, then yes, you'll have to run out and buy a 360.

Those 90%+ exclusives are helping the 360 massively outsell the Xbox, and the PS3's lack of exclusives thats preventing it from massively outselling the 360 from day one like everyone thought it would.

I would consider Fable2, Banjo 3, GeoW2, the only complete GTAIV and Too Human to be pretty compelling to a new Xbox 360 owner btw. 

KBG29 said: NOTE THIS IS PURELY SPECULATION I belive the PS3 will easly pass the 360 buy years end. This is based on my belief that Sony is going to do a few things along the way. 1. If MS cuts the 360 price before GTA4, Sony must follow. 2. Sony gets their Music and Movies download service ready by spring as predicted. 3. Blu-ray spec 2.0 comes out and the format as a whole is pushed buy all backers during the summer blockbusters 4. Sony does not launch Home until it is ready, and once it is they advertise the hell out of it. 5. Little Big Planet, must have major advertising, on the scale of Halo. 6. Killzone 2 shows up and is within reason as to what is expected. 7. IPTV service is introduced by fall in the US. 8. Sony has Price Parity with Mircosofts equivilant by years end If most of this happens this year, most notably 1,2,3,4,5, and 8 I would be surprised to see 360 still ahead buy years end.

2 and the promise of 7 have done little to help the Xbox 360, why should they help Sony?  There is nothing to indicate K2 will be better than the original, and plenty of rumours to the contrary.  Either way, the title would have to battle against it's bad name amongst the ill-informed public.  Do you honestly believe that Microsoft would let Sony match the Xbox 360's price by the end of this year? If ever?

MikeB said: starcraft said: MikeB said: @ starcraft The 360 exclusives include shooters, story-driven epics and an RPG, the Wii games included a platformer and a Zelda game and the PS3 games....weren't on the list. Oblivion is ranked above 93% for the 360, however there's no denying the PS3 version is better (720p vs 600p, far less loading interuptions, longer view distance, more content, etc), so it all means little. I played the PGR games, but I have far much more fun with Motorstorm. For online shooter multi-player I prefer Warhawk, for great story and gameplay I prefer Uncharted, for a platformer I prefer Ratchet & Clank TOD, for online store games I prefer Super Stardust HD, for backwards compatible titles I prefer God of War 2, etc. It really comes down to personal taste. This is true enough, but you have to understand that your taste is nothing like the mainstream. Given enough money for one console only, most gamers would pick SMG over R&C for platformers, Mass Effect and Bioshock over Uncharted for story, Halo 3 and GeoW over Warhawk for online shooting, and PGR4, Forza 2 (or hell Need for Speed Pro Street) over Motorstorm (that game was frustratingly boring). Of course some of the games you mention may better known by people as they are sequels to previously popular games, but PGR3/4/Need of Speed are boring to me in comparison to Motorstorm, Motorstorm feels like something new (or oldskool, as Stunt Car Racer is a little similar in terms of gameplay => hopping over each other, boost, etc). Motorstorm boring? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE1fTmdfB2s Lag free online gameplay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwRpfdepfV8 (The game looks a lot better though on a HDTV screen with proper color settings)

I guess with motorstorm it comes down to taste as you said.  After a couple of hours with the game, I found it to be boring.  Apparently most reviewers found it to be average.  That doesn't make it bad, but it's not very good compared to PGR4's 86% or FM2 and PGR3's 89%.

AND WHAT NOW will help x360 to outsell ps3, when ps3 get AA BRAND exclusives?

PC capable of running Bioshock, Geow cost 399$.


GTA4 - how many there GTA fans only, which play only GTA games?
Fable 2 is not a system seller, just like Mass effect wasn`t.
Banjo 3 - has some potential, but very little.
Geow2 - vs Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Socom, Haze.
Too human will bomb.

MikeB said: According to VGChartz the gap between the 360 and PS3 is now 6.75 million. However we know the PS3 is slightly undertracked for the UK and Australia based on MCV/Chart Track/GfK/Sony [Bravia figures], probably by about 50K in total. And according to VGChartz the 360 outsold the PS3 in January for North America by about 62K, while the NPD reported the PS3 outselling the 360 by about 60K for just the US, so that's another 122K of difference. So the difference is probably closer to 6.56 million assuming no great difference for other regions. However assuming christmas sales (UK 20-22% of the European PS3 market) and PS2 sales ratios for SCEE are representative there may be another great gap, this may put the actual difference close to 6 million. 6 million considering Blu-Ray victory, fewer XBox users upgrading to 360, continued 360 reliability issues, a much better high profile PS3 game line-up, PS3 Home, PS3 PlayTV introduction, etc IMO 6 million seems like a possible figure to master by christmas 2008. (both consoles may drop in price though)

have u done the math there? how many consoles/week does ps3 have to average more than 360 to overtake it this year? how many consoles/week does 360 project to sell this year? what does that # come to for total weekly average sales ps3 has to get from now on? what % increase over current sales is that for ps3? how does it compare to wii and ps2 and historical console sales trends? do that math and see if u still believe that ps3 can do it in 2008...