The first generation (On the 390X) is supposedly going to be 4GB on a 4096-bit bus with 640 GB/s of bandwidth!!!!  That's double the 290X's already high bandwidth, and the next generation of HBM is supposed to be double what came before it!

I wouldn't count on anything that helped the 1 on BF helping it in Dec. in Dec. it will likely be all about legs and who has the stronger ones off the hype, fallout, and word of mouth from the highs, and lowes of Nov. and what's expected next yr.

next yr. starts in Dec.? I'm out of practice give me a break.

Because the US is the place getting the aggressive bundling and pricing, and it's the Xbox's strongest region, so it's the only region Xbox fans care about. As they should. It's the only one it's doing relatively ok in. Well, and the UK

For the PS4?

Yes, now that we have all information, but we didn't know until now.

It won't win December, but Sony don't seem to concerned. They must be happy with current sales.

Who said anything about Vita not winning December NPD??

vivster- Let's hope for the best. I remember times where PS4 didn't need any of those things to outsell X1.


werent they doing that just 3 days ago on bf,gta5/tjou and lbp3/batman was at the number 1 and 15 at amazon and #1 at gamestop before they flat out ran out of anymore to sell,they'd still be there if they had more....plain ps4 or washed up destiny bundle going against the ms heavy fire sale wont cut it

Price is the predominant factor is US [Insert product market here.] sales. Unless you've never seen a car, hotel, airfare, etc., commercial, this makes perfect sense to you. BF is the mother of all sale days, and a majority of shoppers are looking for deals on Christmas gifts and tend to me, lower/middle income class, minorities (compared to the average), and un-/part time-employed (moms, students, etc.). This means that these "savings" are more like "needs," hence the insanity we see on TV.

Consequently, the X1 price cuts made it the go-to console this BF, and the average buyer wasn't doing any quality-based comparative analysis. Those shoppers are far afield from us forum-dwellers. This opens up things up to a lot of questions. Leading up to November's cuts, I observed many MS users with to PS (a 4 to 1 clip), and PS4 was the consumer's console of choice (see the prior 10 months). Does this mean that we should expect a slew of X1 returns? Most consumers chose PS4 before the cuts, and there's no reason to think that giftees (who actually play the games, like us) will be any different a demographic. Will that cause pronounced returns/exchanges of X1s for PS4s? There's a reason that the day after Christmas sees the largest return spike. Does this also mean that, after the holidays, things will return back to normal, when the typical consumer defaults back to PS4 purchases? Will the X1 maintain it's momentum, or has everyone purchased their X1s on BF?

I can tell you with this with certainty: maybe.

i have no idea why anyone would fathom this but once Nov. NPD comes out and everyone sees the ass kicking that the XB1 puts out (300-500k) then they'll have a change of heart

look at it this way the recent great xb1 sales arent b/c of the black friday deals 330 and 280 xb1 bundles, as soon as the xb1 went to 350 in Nov. its been outselling the ps4 as seen on amazon and after the BF week meaning currently the XB1 is still beasting on amazon

As a previous poster noted, that's actually inaccurate: according to VGC, in the 3rd week of November, the X1 outsold the PS4 by ~20K units (down from 100K and 65K units, respectively). This means that, by the 3rd week of X1 promotions, the PS4 had essentially caught up in sales. Without a BF week boost, it is reasonable to assume that the PS4's sales would have surpassed the X1's by ~15K units in week 4. To muddle the Amazon impact, during peak BF sales, the PS4 GTAV bundle outsold the X1 ACU bundle (#1 vs #2/#3) for approximately 36 hours. If Sony shipped significantly more stock (if anecdotal cases are to be believed), then there is a very likely chance that they moved more volume at a slower pace. Coupled with reports that these sales missed the NPD cutoff, we should expect to see a close final week of November or big spike for PS4 in December.