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LudicrousSpeed said:

You might want to tell Miyazaki that Sony created Bloodborne, as he gives interviews talking about his inspiration for the setting of the game and his decisions about certain gameplay elements. Doesn't really sound like Sony created the IP at all, sounds more like Sony paid someone to make a game. Which, of course, is fine. But it's just funny to see you crap on one company for doing it and then throwing out two games for PS4 that are not first party.

The bold is funny to me, it's like you're admitting to being ignorant on the matter and almost proud to take flawed input from people as opposed to someone who plays the game every day. Also, I'm just gonna throw it out that you're talking out of your butt about "countless players" and "many xbox players" telling you the game is dead. Either way, since you're admitting they probably "play the less popular gamemodes", maybe stop treating the testimony of these make believe forum members as Gospel? You can take the "less popular game modes" of any game online game and say the community must be struggling.


Sony filed the trademark for the bloodbourne IP after they approached him to make a game for them. They didn't go and pay a boat load of money for a game like tomb raider to become exclusive. I'm not crapping on anybody, i'm pointing out how MS doing it is not good for the industry as they could easily do what Sony did and create a new game with said money. They could have been the pnes releasing bloodbourne this spring. But no the spend their money just to delay a platform getting it. That's reality and common practice with MS. 

I play the less popular game modes on BF and get games no problem. The countless people are there for you to see. Hundreds of posts on neogaf. I'll take their word over two people on here. They basically said unless your going for the main game mode (attrition i think) then you will have issues. Also kinda proves my point about it being barebones when it's multiplayer mainly and the majority only consider 1 game mode to be good. The player count also a joke with online bots (lol). 

I'm not the one talking out my butt. 

"Also,

And it worked, by the way. As I said before I only play LTS, probably middle of the pack in terms of player count, and over the last week or so as stores have had pre-BF and BF sales and the digital sales, the playlist has routinely been in the hundreds of players just on my server. Always full rooms. Never waiting for it to find a game.The funny thing about this quote is you're proving Pugg's point without even realizing it. So Titanfall wouldn't have had a price cut if it sold well enough, and Infamous is still a "good bit more expensive". And yet.. Titanfall on Xbone has outsold Infamous, even with the huge install base difference. So if Titanfall is getting prices slashed due to poor sales, shouldn't Infamous be even lower priced do to lower sales? Or just maybe you're wrong and don't understand that online only games require different strategies to keep the (required) player base stimulated and playing? And at the same time, there's no need for Sony to drop the price of Infamous because of (apparently) low sales. If I buy Infamous today, there could be literally 3 other people in the world playing and it wouldn't affect my experience one bit. But 3 other people playing Titanfall, that's different." 

I'm npt surprised it picked up a bit recently considering the game being sold at bargain bin prices. Makes sense tbh. Titanfall was way overhyped and it's sales were very front loaded. It's also been given away for free the month it released and it's the biggest X1 bundle. You're forgetting that a shit ton of it's sales were at a very heavy discount. Infamous has for a fact made more profit than titanfall. Nowhere near bunlded as much and even though it was price double what titanfall was for black friday it was selling a lot more than titanfall X1. The reality is the game is being bought more at a higher price. 

Just so you know there are many games that need a busy online to thrive yet years later they are still sold for more than titanfall. The 10$ pC thing was obvious desperation and the 12$ X1 the same. I know it's hard to acceot that after all the hype it's completely fizzled out into the bargain bin. The difference between me and you is i  can accept that's the case for a ps4 game called killzone but your rose tinted glasses are affecting you from being partial with regards TF. 



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Kerotan said:


Sony filed the trademark for the bloodbourne IP after they approached him to make a game for them. They didn't go and pay a boat load of money for a game like tomb raider to become exclusive. I'm not crapping on anybody, i'm pointing out how MS doing it is not good for the industry as they could easily do what Sony did and create a new game with said money. They could have been the pnes releasing bloodbourne this spring. But no the spend their money just to delay a platform getting it. That's reality and common practice with MS. 

I play the less popular game modes on BF and get games no problem. The countless people are there for you to see. Hundreds of posts on neogaf. I'll take their word over two people on here. They basically said unless your going for the main game mode (attrition i think) then you will have issues. Also kinda proves my point about it being barebones when it's multiplayer mainly and the majority only consider 1 game mode to be good. The player count also a joke with online bots (lol). 

I'm not the one talking out my butt. 

"Also,

And it worked, by the way. As I said before I only play LTS, probably middle of the pack in terms of player count, and over the last week or so as stores have had pre-BF and BF sales and the digital sales, the playlist has routinely been in the hundreds of players just on my server. Always full rooms. Never waiting for it to find a game.The funny thing about this quote is you're proving Pugg's point without even realizing it. So Titanfall wouldn't have had a price cut if it sold well enough, and Infamous is still a "good bit more expensive". And yet.. Titanfall on Xbone has outsold Infamous, even with the huge install base difference. So if Titanfall is getting prices slashed due to poor sales, shouldn't Infamous be even lower priced do to lower sales? Or just maybe you're wrong and don't understand that online only games require different strategies to keep the (required) player base stimulated and playing? And at the same time, there's no need for Sony to drop the price of Infamous because of (apparently) low sales. If I buy Infamous today, there could be literally 3 other people in the world playing and it wouldn't affect my experience one bit. But 3 other people playing Titanfall, that's different." 

I'm npt surprised it picked up a bit recently considering the game being sold at bargain bin prices. Makes sense tbh. Titanfall was way overhyped and it's sales were very front loaded. It's also been given away for free the month it released and it's the biggest X1 bundle. You're forgetting that a shit ton of it's sales were at a very heavy discount. Infamous has for a fact made more profit than titanfall. Nowhere near bunlded as much and even though it was price double what titanfall was for black friday it was selling a lot more than titanfall X1. The reality is the game is being bought more at a higher price. 

Just so you know there are many games that need a busy online to thrive yet years later they are still sold for more than titanfall. The 10$ pC thing was obvious desperation and the 12$ X1 the same. I know it's hard to acceot that after all the hype it's completely fizzled out into the bargain bin. The difference between me and you is i  can accept that's the case for a ps4 game called killzone but your rose tinted glasses are affecting you from being partial with regards TF. 

lol, I know I have won when you have to start violently moving the goal posts. So you're going from "countless players on here" to "posts on NeoGAF". I accept your sword, now you can continue to be blissfully ignorant.

I was going to reply to your Bloodborne stuff but to be honest your reply is terribly formatted and it's not worth the effort. It's obvious by your jabs regarding Titanfall you're either getting upset or flustered or just don't take being wrong very well and I am not about to argue in circles trying to help you, so bu-bye.



Mr Puggsly said:
Kerotan said:

What am I supposed to believe? Your views or those of a number of other X1 owners? Is less than 10k online good for a game that sold over 2M? I just don't see why the price has dropped so much in such a short space of time. MS practically gave the game away the month of release and the bundle is the highest xbox bundle for the year. You have games like Battlefield selling for half it's price a year after release and there is some difference in revenue taken in by both games despite almost equal sales (PS4 BF vs X1 TF). They obviously feel they couldn't keep the community alive with the game been sold normally at at normal price. 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=846314

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/titanfalls-online-community-started-dwindle/

The games numbers have dropped a lot and 10k WW is not good so soon after release and sales from day 1. The game must have been overhyped and dissapointed many. BF4 sold similar numbers on PS4 and it has about 4 times the active player count per day if your 10k figure is true. And boy did BF4 have a troubled first 8 months. 

My posts are detailed and make sense. Yours are just, PS4/PS3/PSV have no good games from SOny devs! Yeah real good points there considering the number of top class Sony developed games. Sony funnily enough made the top selling vita game uncharted and it's a very good game. They've other quality titles on it too like littlebigplanet, flower, journey etc. 

PS3 had a shit ton of great Sony games and PS4 has a few good or great so far. Infamous, The Last of US and MLB The show 3 examples. 

Maybe if you didn't skim through my detailed replies you would actually see some sense, but feel free to keep repeating yourself and bury your head as deep into the sand as you can! 

A population under 10K is better is still better than most shooters. The only shooters doing better than that are very popular games.

I'm fine with EA doing whatever they feel is necessary to keep the TItanfall online userbase high. Boosting the population is a good thing, especially since other popular shooters were released. I'm sure it'll be on EA Access in the near future as well.

Your post are rants and I'd recommend trimming them down a bit. Just my advice, but feel free to waste your time typing long responses I skim over.

Uncharted on Vita was a heavily bundled game and they gave it away on PS+. Yet you piss and moan about Titanfall getting a significant price cut? Yeah, okay.

I like that you get so worked up. You remind me to relax a little.

well it's clear then that TF is not a very popular game as you say. It was overhyped. Didn't live up to expectations at all. 

I'm sure you are fine with it and so am i. But from their point of view it's never good to have to sell a game at bargain bin prices 8 months after the release of an extremely hyped game. 

I've np problem writing detailed facts. I don't plan on bringing them down in quality. Each to their own on that. You're not the only one who reads my posts so they're not exclusively for you. But they're clearly irritating you, as you ignore all my valid points and just label it a rant. Really weak debating style. 

Vita has to bundle something something with it and considering it's one of the only AAA games made I'm shocked it got bundled! And pretty much every decent game has been up on vita ps plus given the lack of games. I'm not pissing and moaning but you my friend seem to be getting hot and bothered. Take your own advice and chill out a little. 

Your arguement is already weak enough, you're not doing yourself any favours trying to describe how you think i'm feeling just because i'm right!



LudicrousSpeed said:

lol, I know I have won when you have to start violently moving the goal posts. So you're going from "countless players on here" to "posts on NeoGAF". I accept your sword, now you can continue to be blissfully ignorant.

I was going to reply to your Bloodborne stuff but to be honest your reply is terribly formatted and it's not worth the effort. It's obvious by your jabs regarding Titanfall you're either getting upset or flustered or just don't take being wrong very well and I am not about to argue in circles trying to help you, so bu-bye.


talk about moving the goal posts. I make a thread about PES benefitting from being PS exclusive because it outsells the X1 by a whopping 13-1 and you and puggsy are on here whining about Titanfall! Yes there were a number of people on vgchartz who said it but neogaf is another source and it's 100 times bigger than this site. I'd say it;s pretty relevant when you have X1 TF owners complaining about the community (or lack of) in that game. 

And like puggsy when you are cornered and know you're wrong you just change the goalposts (so ironic!) and claim i'm getting mad. Why would i be mad that i'm swimming in the deep end with people who can't swim. I feel sorry and want to help you with my endless knowledge that's all. I'm a nice guy reall :) 



Fifaguy360 said:
Uhhh.... Konami needs to keep as many customers as they can at this point and not force xbox/1 users to FIFA.

It's a terrible idea and it will not help Konami at all.

This is the main reason that the idea is just plain terrible. OP is looking at it from an extremely one sided view as a PS4 user.

FIFA sells lots on Xbox.



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Kerotan said:

well it's clear then that TF is not a very popular game as you say. It was overhyped. Didn't live up to expectations at all. 

I'm sure you are fine with it and so am i. But from their point of view it's never good to have to sell a game at bargain bin prices 8 months after the release of an extremely hyped game. 

I've np problem writing detailed facts. I don't plan on bringing them down in quality. Each to their own on that. You're not the only one who reads my posts so they're not exclusively for you. But they're clearly irritating you, as you ignore all my valid points and just label it a rant. Really weak debating style. 

Vita has to bundle something something with it and considering it's one of the only AAA games made I'm shocked it got bundled! And pretty much every decent game has been up on vita ps plus given the lack of games. I'm not pissing and moaning but you my friend seem to be getting hot and bothered. Take your own advice and chill out a little. 

Your arguement is already weak enough, you're not doing yourself any favours trying to describe how you think i'm feeling just because i'm right!

I'm not arguing Titanfall is very popular. I'm not arguing whether or not it lived up to expectations. I'm simply pointing out the population is doing a lot bettter than you think and Titanfall is still more successful than most games.

Titanfall was a game that got a big push and had respectable sales. That's a fact.

Sony bundled Uncharted because Vita sales are abysmal. Sony put Vita's noteworthy games on PS+ to encourage people to buy it. The lack of Vita deals during Black Friday shows Sony has basically given up.

When someone says, "because I'm right!" That's usually a sign they're very relaxed. Right?



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LudicrousSpeed said:
Fifaguy360 said:
Uhhh.... Konami needs to keep as many customers as they can at this point and not force xbox/1 users to FIFA.

It's a terrible idea and it will not help Konami at all.

This is the main reason that the idea is just plain terrible. OP is looking at it from an extremely one sided view as a PS4 user.

FIFA sells lots on Xbox.


Sells a lot? It got outsold 13-1 so far! 

My point is simple and being ignored by people who don't like the idea of it benefitting from Playstation. 

I will repeat for those to slow to pick it up the first time. 

PES sells a tiny amound on Xbox now. If Konami got a bundle on the PS4 they could make those sales up easily and then some. 

Other benefits are less Dev costs with xbox platforms gone and more exposure for being an exclusive on the dominating platform of this gen. 

 

Sony would never pay a penny to get PES exclusive as the sales are almost exlusive anyway. I see them being the big stumbling block for the deal i suggested.

They might not even think getting it exclusive is enough to return the favor with a bundle. But as I said EA gone with MS and a FIFA bundle. And yes before

you say it, I'm aware despite the exclusive Xbox bundle and marketing FIFA is dominating on PS4. But they might think, why the hell not, PES has picked 

it's game up and is now a right match for FIFA again. No harm having another big football game on Platstation. And if considering how good PES has gotten it

could well take off again with that PS4 push. 

 

That's my whole debate right there. It's a suggestion that could def work but it will prob never happen. As people already pointed out Sony dominate the

sales for FIFA and PES already. What's the point. 



Kerotan said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
Fifaguy360 said:
Uhhh.... Konami needs to keep as many customers as they can at this point and not force xbox/1 users to FIFA.

It's a terrible idea and it will not help Konami at all.

This is the main reason that the idea is just plain terrible. OP is looking at it from an extremely one sided view as a PS4 user.

FIFA sells lots on Xbox.


Sells a lot? It got outsold 13-1 so far! 

My point is simple and being ignored by people who don't like the idea of it benefitting from Playstation. 

I will repeat for those to slow to pick it up the first time. 

PES sells a tiny amound on Xbox now. If Konami got a bundle on the PS4 they could make those sales up easily and then some. 

Other benefits are less Dev costs with xbox platforms gone and more exposure for being an exclusive on the dominating platform of this gen. 

 

Sony would never pay a penny to get PES exclusive as the sales are almost exlusive anyway. I see them being the big stumbling block for the deal i suggested.

They might not even think getting it exclusive is enough to return the favor with a bundle. But as I said EA gone with MS and a FIFA bundle. And yes before

you say it, I'm aware despite the exclusive Xbox bundle and marketing FIFA is dominating on PS4. But they might think, why the hell not, PES has picked 

it's game up and is now a right match for FIFA again. No harm having another big football game on Platstation. And if considering how good PES has gotten it

could well take off again with that PS4 push. 

 

That's my whole debate right there. It's a suggestion that could def work but it will prob never happen. As people already pointed out Sony dominate the

sales for FIFA and PES already. What's the point. 

Reading comprehension FTL.

By the way, no one is ignoring your point. It's just wrong and makes no sense for either party.



Mr Puggsly said:

I'm not arguing Titanfall is very popular. I'm not arguing whether or not it lived up to expectations. I'm simply pointing out the population is doing a lot bettter than you think and Titanfall is still more successful than most games.

Titanfall was a game that got a big push and had respectable sales. That's a fact.

Sony bundled Uncharted because Vita sales are abysmal. Sony put Vita's noteworthy games on PS+ to encourage people to buy it. The lack of Vita deals during Black Friday shows Sony has basically given up.

When someone says, "because I'm right!" That's usually a sign they're very relaxed. Right?

The population is doing exactly how I think. 10k from the horses mouth is not a massive number especially with how discounted it's been. But things are always discounted for a reason. It's more successful in one sense if you count total sales, but how many of those sales came with the purchase of an Xbox over a number of months, or with a free game promo MS has done may times, or from the 10$ PC firesale this November or from the 12$ xbox sale for BF. 

It got expected sales for a big push and nothing more. Nothing special about them in it's situation hence when it's bargain bin material now. 

SOny have bundle or given away almost every good game the vita has had because they've no choice. Sales are bad but the number of good titles on it are very limited which means they've no choice but to give them all away at diff points. Uncharted on vita is a very good game whether it was bundled or not and was always going to be it's top seller. It's not a comparable situation. 

 Saying "because i'm right" is just me displaying the cocky swagger i was born with. I get all the ladies with chit chat like that :) 

And the funny thing is, since this debate swayed in my favor to the point where it's comparable to PES PS4 vs X1 sales you started the whole rambling, rant, iritated talk. That's usually a sign of frustration in a debate not going all too well :) 



LudicrousSpeed said:

Reading comprehension FTL.

By the way, no one is ignoring your point. It's just wrong and makes no sense for either party.


Great detailed reply right there! 

How does it make no sense when the profit on the xbox platform is tiny and the potential on the dominating platform is pretty big? 

You ain't got no good reasons and that's why you've stopped reply with real answers.