Haha lol sevengen you almost had me. Well done sir.

@theprof00 smaller size is nto always a good thing. The size of the xbox one is perfectly fine. I rather have a big console that doens't heat up as quickly as teh ps4 does due to its small size. I definetly won't buy their new iteration , when i have perfect workign consoles. I know , there are people who do buy them but i find that incredibly stupid , especiallly the one you have works fine. And you have proof that they are doing this deliberately, jsut to make you buy another one? I think its most to avoid RROD that they had. They got too cautious hence the buig size as they didn't want to take the risk at launch. Theres no harm in that.

I honestly believe that MS did the smart thing by making the xbox1 a little bigger for better heat dissipation, it really is meant to do more than just play videogames. One of the biggest problems all electronics will have to deal with is lead free solder. That was the weak point on the xbox360, and to a lesser extent wii, and ps3. those systems would sometimes run real hot causing the solder around the GPU to soften, and when they cooled down, cause cracks in the connection. This is why the fix for the 360 was to reflow or reball the gpu.

It was clear that MS built a console/media hybrid system to be left on, long after you finished playing games. With that kind of thinking in place, they had to go the way of Nintendo, and create a system that only has visible, and not audible cues that it is on. I read up on the xbox1, the logo dims in low light conditions, so it does not distract you while watching movies. The Kinect is able to tell if you leave the room, or set down the controller, and sends it into battery saving mode. It can even tell if you picked up a different controller while playing a game.

I also get people that hate MS for having removable batteries, but it's not a dealbreaker to me. I prefer phones, and other electronics that have replaceable batteries. Since batteries degrade over every charge. it is nice to have them easily replaceable, even with rechargeables. My beef with my PS4 is that the controllers life is pretty bad, I suspect that frickin flashlight, and speaker (to a lesser extent) is the cause. Most state that it is no big deal since they can charge it while playing. With that in mind you don't even need batteries for the Xbox1 controller at all if you want to run a long micro usb instead.

It's clear MS decided to make a system that was meant to be put in the living room, or wherever family and, friends congregate. I personally like both systems alot. and both look right at home next to each other under my TV.

Also the metal inside the PS4 is aluminum. All consoles systems have them. they absorb heat really well by pulling the heat away from components, but this is just passive cooling, these systems are so GPU dependent need active cooling. I wonder who the manufactures of the fans were for both systems, Im guess ing with all the extra space in the Xbox1 if you wanted to you could run sound dampening material in there to make it even quieter. but the only thing that makes any kind of noise is the blu ray drive when it spins up.

I think you missed the points and I don't agree with you.

1) You admit you don't even know what I'm referring to.
2) You missed the point that it takes MORE force to displace the SAME amount of air through a smaller hole.  Again, try to breathe out through a straw and see if you can empty your lungs as fast as through your mouth.  You can't, because your diaphragm would have push much harder, to force the SAME amount of air through.  Similarly, the fan has to create a much higher force to displace an equal amount of air through the small vents.
3) Yes, so you agree with me that the vents make a difference.  The PS4 having them all at the back, while XB1 has them over the top and sides.
4) You argued about the airflow is going away from you where you can't hear it... so I clarified what I was saying to you.

What shouldn't really make a big difference is all the empty space in the Xbox One.  If the PS4 had vents all over the top like XB1 has, then it would be able to run quieter IMO.  It's just an aesthetic choice for PS4.

True, but I don't think the X1 was designed to be held.

My Xbox One sits in a TV stand. So the size of the unit isn't much of a concern for me.

Forget all that 1-4. That was not a point I was arguing in the first place. The only point there is that because ps4 has fewer vents, then the smaller fan has to work harder, which is what I was saying. Smaller fans are noisier.

What I was arguing is that the open area doesn't make a difference. You said that more open space makes it quieter. That is not true. The vents thing is true, but I never argued that. The only thing I said regarding vents was that the xb1 example being used was in an environment it was designed for, while the ps4 is designed to be on a shelf.

You're exactly right that if the ps4 had more vents it would be quieter, because the fan wouldn't need to work as hard. However, a small fan will never be as quiet as a large one while displacing the same amount of air.

That's all i argued from the beginning.

I agree. But my point is that people who own the phat will be incentivized to buy the slim. Not all people, but they will.

Eh? You think people will buy the slim just because its a few inches smaller? Not sure that's the sole incentive to get a slim model.

If people want a the slim model its probably because they want another X1, old one broke, etc. I own three models of Xbox 360 because that was an awesome console and I put them in different rooms.

I'm not buying the whole elaborate scheme that you've proposed in this thread, but it was a fun read!

When I look at the inside of the Xbox One... Yeah it's really ugly looking compared to the PS4, but I know at the very least that air circulation shouldn't be a problem. The PS4's design is not so convicing of that. 

well most American people like anything that big (joke)