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Im one of the 20 people in the UK that bought this game. I got it for a good price, and so far its been a competent port. Im a Wii U only owner,and there is some of us out there that dont have the luxury of owning multiple consoles. Im enjoying the game and pleased it wasnt cancelled. Ubi wont make anything from it, but thats their problem not mine. Wii U is my primary console because Nintendo games and exclusive matter to me most, and i cherry pick the odd 3rd party games that interest me most.



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GTAexpert said:
chidori-chan2 said:

IT's no surprise Ubisoft spit in the face of nintendo fanboys .

 

 

Fuck you Ubisoft,no one cares about you games.

If that was true their games wouldn't be selling millions of units.


True. I wish their games were shit. Its tough loving the developers, but hating the publisher:(



KLXVER said:
HollyGamer said:

2.It's third party games where most of people bought Wii U buy for their first party games


I dont get this one. Why wouldnt you buy a third party game if its good?

Believe it or not,  adult who bought Wii U most of them has a PC or second console on their possession. So who willing to buy last gen graphic games it this games can be played beter on PC or other console. Unless children who bought the Wii U but then again Wath dog has  mature rating on.



HollyGamer said:
KLXVER said:
HollyGamer said:

2.It's third party games where most of people bought Wii U buy for their first party games


I dont get this one. Why wouldnt you buy a third party game if its good?

Believe it or not,  adult who bought Wii U most of them has a PC or second console on their sleaves. So who willing to buy last gen graphic games it this games can be played beter on PC or other console. Unless children who bought the Wii U but then again Wath dog has  mature rating on.

 

Its still weird. Nintendo makes great games, but ONLY buying Nintendo games seems...I dont know....stubborn.lol



RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

My point that it's very hard to repeat casual success doesn't hold water?

Nintendo, Guitar Hero, Just Dance, Angry Birds, Candy Crush, etc. tell a fairly different story. 

Nintendo can't compete against Apple anyway, even if they could make some magically great Wiimote game today or even release a full-on casual console with nothing but Wii ____ titles and "approved for Mom" games released all year long ... it would not sell today. 

Wii filled a gap that was not being served at all in 2006. Today there are a million ways for a person who doesn't feel comfortable playing "hard" games with physical controllers to play. They're carrying it in their pocket virtually 24/7 for starters. 

The facts have already been laid out. Nintendo had plenty of hit games, so your point flies out of the window.

However, you said something interesting in your previous post. You mentioned that the likes of Mario, Animal Crossing and Mario Kart were available on Nintendo systems prior to the DS and Wii. Why didn't they prevent the failure of the N64 and GC, why did they help the success of the DS and Wii, why aren't they preventing the failure of the 3DS and Wii U? What are the reasons that led to these outcomes?

Because no one wants to buy a console just for Mario/Animal Crossing. 

It's like a restaurant ... you can go to one restaurant that has a huge menu and good drinks/nice atmosphere (Sony/MS). 

Or you can go to restaurant B, which doesn't have a great overall menu and is kind of a dated dump inside, but they have a really killer 2-3 dishes and a fantastic desert that only they can make in the entire city. Your parents took you there as a kid, and you have a lot of fond memories there but ...

Odds are peope will choose the first restaurant more often. Maybe they'll visit that second restaurant once in a blue moon but that's it. In all honesty what people want from a home console is the same thing they want from a video format or a satelite/cable box -- the most variety. 

No one wants a movie format with just Disney movies on it, that doesn't mean they hate Disney movies. No one wants a cable subcription service with just HBO on it, even if they love HBO. 

Sony/MS offer a more balanced approach than what Nintendo does, hence they are more consistently successful with console marketshare and don't need to gamble on unsustainable gimmicky ventures to maintain their fan base. 

The Wii U/3DS is simply the ugly side of the "chasing gimmicks/fads" strategy, you loved it when they were successful, but the flipside with gimmicks is they can go bust too (audience doesn't care for the gimmick of a 3D screen all that much, ditto for a touchscreen controller). Just like Vegas. It's great when you're winning, but it sure sucks when you're going home down 5 gs. 



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daredevil.shark said:

 Given the poor performance of the game, that holds water until you consider that another recently released mature game, Bayonetta 2, placed first on the console in its launch. Oh, and it still managed to beat Watch Dogs, placing 11th a month after its launch on the system.

If Watch Dogs was a Wii U exclusive it'd be praised as one of the best games ever made.  Bayonetta being a better game certainly isn't the reason it sold better.  Watch Dogs is a port, it's six months late, and it's not exclusive.  Everyone knew this was going to bomb, even Ubisoft I'm sure.



RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

Because no one wants to buy a console just for Mario/Animal Crossing. 

It's like a restaurant ... you can go to one restaurant that has a huge menu and good drinks/atmosphere (Sony/MS). 

Or you can go to restaurant B, which doesn't have a great overall menu and is kind of a dump inside, but they have a really killer 2-3 dishes and a fantastic desert that only they can make in the entire city.

Odds are peope will choose the first restaurant more often. Maybe they'll visit that second restaurant once in a blue moon In all honesty what people want from a home console is the same thing they want from a video format or a satelite/cable box -- the most variety. 

No one wants a movie format with just Disney movies on it, that doesn't mean they hate Disney movies. No one wants a cable subcription service with just HBO on it, even if they love HBO. 

Sony/MS offer a more balanced approach than what Nintendo does, hence they are more consistently successful with console marketshare and don't need to gamble on unsustainable gimmicky ventures to maintain their fan base. 

The Wii U/3DS is simply the ugly side of the "chasing gimmicks/fads" strategy, you loved it when they were successful, but the flipside with gimmicks is they can go bust too (audience doesn't care for the gimmick of a 3D screen all that much, ditto for a touchscreen controller). Just like Vegas. It's great when you're, but it sure sucks when you're going home down 5 gs. 

So in short, gimmicks are the reason. Whereas other people try to build a fundament for a larger argument, you opt to toss a few bricks into a swamp area and call it a day.

It's also very clear that you have serious problems with the interpretation of simple facts. Nobody in their right mind would say that Microsoft has been consistently successful with console market share when their only consoles are the Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox One. A failure, a moderate success and a failure do not constitute consistent success.

Investing in gimmicky ideas isn't a bad strategy at times. Everyone does it, Sony and MS have their share too ... VR, touch panel on the PS4 controller, Kinect, Move, Wonderbook. Amiibo is probably something that will be a hit for them as Skylanders is successful too. But tell me where Activision would be as a business if they bet their entire company on Skylanders? In five years when that trend goes bust they may be in a world of hurt. 

The problem is when you try to base your entire platform around a gimmick. Sony isn't relying on the PS4 touch-panel and Tearaway to sell the PS4. It's a nice little bonus, that's all. 

Nintendo is guilty of the former and they are paying a dear price for it, but it is pretty much exactly like the Vegas gambler ... sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. It's not smart taking your life savings and investing it at a casino though. A mutual fund might be a better (albiet more boring) idea. But sometimes (a lot of times actually) "boring" is good. The PS4 is "boring" in its overall design, but its reaping the rewards of it right now. 

It's too early to say the XBox One is a "failure" and the first XBox was reasonably successful given that it only was on the market for like 4 years and was MS' first attempt. It would have sold over 30+ million if MS had not yanked the cord early, it was outselling the PS2 for certain months at a time towards the end of its lifecycle. As a brand the XBox was gaining momentum prior to the launch of the 360 for sure (whereas the GameCube wasn't).

In fact the main reason why the XBox One is having the trouble that it did was precisely because they banked heavily on a gimmick (Kinect 2.0) rather than the approach Sony took. If MS had designed the X1 without Kinect required they would've been in a much better spot today. Which just reaffirms my point. 



KLXVER said:
HollyGamer said:
KLXVER said:
HollyGamer said:

2.It's third party games where most of people bought Wii U buy for their first party games


I dont get this one. Why wouldnt you buy a third party game if its good?

Believe it or not,  adult who bought Wii U most of them has a PC or second console on their sleaves. So who willing to buy last gen graphic games it this games can be played beter on PC or other console. Unless children who bought the Wii U but then again Wath dog has  mature rating on.

 

Its still weird. Nintendo makes great games, but ONLY buying Nintendo games seems...I dont know....stubborn.lol

well off course,  it's only happen for games that  also released on another platform thou, for example games like Zombi U, Lego city, is a third party games but exclusive for Wii U so thats is out of question, but for multyplatform game the games that look and play better on others platform, they will choose other version,  but unless if you prefer playing with the uniqness of the pad :).

i am expecting the same thing will happen with Project cars, but the game it's not heavily marketed fpr PS4 except it was for PC.



Even if the port wasn't half assed it still wouldn't sell. The bulk of sales were on PS4 and Xbone and last gen ps and xb. I wish people would stop being in denial and just accept the fact that games like Watchdogs and GTA would NEVER sell well on Nintendo.



kupomogli said:
daredevil.shark said:

 Given the poor performance of the game, that holds water until you consider that another recently released mature game, Bayonetta 2, placed first on the console in its launch. Oh, and it still managed to beat Watch Dogs, placing 11th a month after its launch on the system.

If Watch Dogs was a Wii U exclusive it'd be praised as one of the best games ever made.  Bayonetta being a better game certainly isn't the reason it sold better.  Watch Dogs is a port, it's six months late, and it's not exclusive.  Everyone knew this was going to bomb, even Ubisoft I'm sure.


I think it is a combination of both really....