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Kane1389 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
thismeintiel said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

What a complete waste of time. How many people need to die/seriously wounded for the US to reform its police agencies. All this pointless militarization that can't even actually protect anyone, and unprofessionalism that some agencies display haphazardly actually endangering its citizens is probably the greatest threat on US soil right now.

And what policy needs to be reformed.  A giant man was charging at him.  Regardless of whether he was a citizen or a police officer, he would have pulled his gun and fired.  Or is the new policy supposed to be to just take the beating?

How about better training at self-defense, so you know non-lethal options can be taken first, I mean he is an officer, shouldn't that be mandatory. Better shooting lessons perhaps, bullets have a lot of stopping power you know, its not like the "giant man" was also a man of steel. A different officer at the scene perhaps. How about not leaving the body in the street for hours. I don't give a damn about the outcome of the court case itself because the outcome was apparent to me from day 1. What I am talking about is how the Wilson's Agency reacted and poorly managed the situation. Rioting is indicative a fundamental disconect between the officers and the citizens they are sworn to protect.

And regardless of the outcome I can guarantee that absolutely nothing will change from this. More big black men will get shot and or beaten to a pulp, preventing theoretical crimes and theoretical beatings from happening, meanwhile school shootings happen all the time. That's what I'm annoyed with.

And seriously, whats wrong with taking a beating? He'll live its not like that guy was going to break his spine or something. If your not prepared to take on the hazards of the job, why the fuck are you a police officer? How are you gonna protect and serve when you can't even protect your self.

I mean that guy that killed Treyvon was clearly over his head, but this was Wilson's Job...you mean to tell me after assessing the situation the only solution was to shoot an unarmed Giant man? I mean why the hell did he put himself in a position where he was getting charged at

I believe a trained police officer that has already been attacked and hurt by the 'giant unarmed man' (who also made an attempt at his weapon) probably knows better how to handle a stresfull situation like that than you or me. Also, I usually agree with most of the stuff you say around here, but that last sentence is absolutely disgusting. What the hell?

Look, I don't know the specifics of the case and their are many things noone but Wilson can know. I personally believe that despite how desperate a situation might seem there are still many different options. Especially, if he was attacked prior. And if you ask me that is what I will tell you. 

However, I know I wasn't there, I wasn't fully aware of what occured and I cannot and will not attempt to determine who is right and wrong here.

That's why I am annoyed when people quote me trying to ask me what Wilson could've done or trying to convince me that killing a man was the only way, telling me that I'm being indifferent to Wilson and Naive, when only referring to Brown as a "giant black man" or a "thug" as though he wasn't a human as well. Wilson had his fair share of problems as well and as a confilct between humans the issue is not black and white. That is why I am not concerned with the specifics of the case.

What I am concerned about is the systems and shitty policies that allowed this incident to happen in the first place.

Shouldn't you find intiel's response more disgusting?

And what policy needs to be reformed.

All of this shit happens and nothing needs to be changed? 

This obsession with taking sides is simply a result of the shitty media coverage of this event. It's a lot easier to report an pseudoracist altercation and frame it as black vs white, then do a much more boring investigative journalism on the state of fergeson pd, you know so that this whole stupid thing never happened in the first place.



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Kane1389 said:
TheBlackNaruto said:
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The last sentence is kind of true though. He had to actually get out of the car to get charged at. Like the Dr said the only solution was to get out of the car and shoot? No call for back up or anything? Just six shots? A lot still doesn't add up for me about the situationor how it was handled. A sad loss of life is all I see and a police officer who went to far. Livng in the area where all of this happened and seeing what is happening to the community upsets me the most though.

 


A person you are interrogating attacks you, hits you, makes an attempt for your weapon and runs then runs away, only to charge back at you when you get out of the car...

You think ANY cop would just stay in his car like a pussy and wait for backup or try to detain an obviously dangerous person, especially if the person CHARGIN RIGHT AT HIM ???

Just because you have a submissive mindeset about the situation, doesnt meant the cops can afford to have it as well

What consits of "interrogating"? Being a police officer gives you a right to question any person you choose to? Does that mean someone has to answer them whent hey are midning thier own business? Just asking quiestions here not saying that it is the same. So the cops are here to serve and protect the peopel but aren't trained to have a mindset to subdue? Just shoot ot kill? How can they not afford to have that mindset when they took an oath to protect?

The bolded confuses me instead of waiting for backup like they are trained to do he doesn't want to be a "pussy" and got out to try and detain a dangerous person by shooting thim 6 times? Where is the part where he tried to detain him? So because a "big guy" was charging at him that meant to unload your gun on him? Not a SINGLE other option for an unarmed man? A REGULAR man just like you and me. He may have been big but that doesn't mean his only option was to unload on him. Now in NO WAY am I painting MB as being innocent he was very much in the wrong for attacking on officer. Though looking at the pictures that were released the "beating" that he gave the officer didn't seem to justify death. But still should not have attacked the officer AT ALL. But to be gunned down and left in the middle of the street in a pool of blood is UNACCEPTABLE.

The way this ENTIRE case was handled was pathetic and there is NO justification for the loss of this life. You say he didn't want to be a pussy but he says he FEARED FOR HIS LIFE and was already in the car and could have called for backup and waited it out and found the suspect later and apprehended him. Especially since he was already fearing for his life that would have made more sense to me. I do not know all the facts and that is just my opinion and sadly there is only one side to this story seeing as the other person will never get a chance to tell their side of the story.  It is just sad case period and the system here definitely needs to be worked and handled a lot better. The ferguson police department as a whole made the situation even worse than it was because of how poorly it was handled.



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enditall727 said:
Dulfite said:
My city is in flames right now and the only thing I can really say is that I so look forward to the return of Jesus. I'm weary of this type of nonsense, weary of the ignorance of politicians/athletes speaking on the matter, weary of people of certain races assuming that someone is innocent just because of the color of his skin, and weary of people burning down businesses/cars/and harming people that are completely unrelated to the case just so they can get a quick buck or have something to laugh about. It's sick.

It's simple. If you DON'T want a cop to shoot at you, you probably shouldn't try to beat the crap out of him or harm him in anyway.

Stop it lol. You might be gone before the creator "arrives".

 

Get in tune with yourself. Be aware of the things you ignored before. Stop obsessing over the things of this world. Detach yourself from the racial spiral. Realise that this specific existence is not where we are supposed to be. Realise that we have a purpose that is being hidden. Isn't it a known fact that the average humans only use like 10% of our brain? That is not by accident. 

 

This world is never going to change. That is why history keeps repeating itself. This existence is not where we are supposed to be but yet we are stuck here and the sorrow, panic and fear keep filling the air. You want to meet the creator? Take a step back, open your eyes, open up your mind and you might have a chance..


I do not, as a Christian, hold to the belief that there is any specific action (other than accepting Christ as my savior) I can take or wisdom I can gain that would increase the chance of "meeting my creator." Everyone will be judged before the throne of God one day, but those who have accepted God's love through Jesus Christ will be saved. That is my belief. I do not believe in some intellectual ascension. I'm going to meet God one day 100% no matter how "open" my mind is and, thankfully, because of my love for Jesus that will be an incomprehensibly wonderful meeting.

Also, I was not suggesting I would be alive when Christ returns, rather I'm just really looking forward to HIS return.



TheBlackNaruto said:
Kane1389 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

How about better training at self-defense, so you know non-lethal options can be taken first, I mean he is an officer, shouldn't that be mandatory. Better shooting lessons perhaps, bullets have a lot of stopping power you know, its not like the "giant man" was also a man of steel. A different officer at the scene perhaps. How about not leaving the body in the street for hours. I don't give a damn about the outcome of the court case itself because the outcome was apparent to me from day 1. What I am talking about is how the Wilson's Agency reacted and poorly managed the situation. Rioting is indicative a fundamental disconect between the officers and the citizens they are sworn to protect.

And regardless of the outcome I can guarantee that absolutely nothing will change from this. More big black men will get shot and or beaten to a pulp, preventing theoretical crimes and theoretical beatings from happening, meanwhile school shootings happen all the time. That's what I'm annoyed with.

And seriously, whats wrong with taking a beating? He'll live its not like that guy was going to break his spine or something. If your not prepared to take on the hazards of the job, why the fuck are you a police officer? How are you gonna protect and serve when you can't even protect your self.

I mean that guy that killed Treyvon was clearly over his head, but this was Wilson's Job...you mean to tell me after assessing the situation the only solution was to shoot an unarmed Giant man? I mean why the hell did he put himself in a position where he was getting charged at

I believe a trained police officer that has already been attacked and hurt by the 'giant unarmed man' (who also made an attempt at his weapon) probably knows better how to handle a stresfull situation like that than you or me. Also, I usually agree with most of the stuff you say around here, but that last sentence is absolutely disgusting. What the hell?

The last sentence is kind of true though. He had to actually get out of the car to get charged at. Like the Dr said the only solution was to get out of the car and shoot? No call for back up or anything? Just six shots? A lot still doesn't add up for me about the situation or how it was handled. A sad loss of life is all I see and a police officer who went to far. Forget the color for me that is not the point and I am a black male. Livng in the area where all of this happened and seeing what is happening to the community upsets me the most though.

I'm sorry, but these are some of the worst arguments I have heard in my life.  The problem is too many people like judging others after they have the power of hindsight, and many times poor info they choose to believe regardless of what facts come out.  We have people actually suggesting Wilson should have just "taken his beating."  Didn't realize black people had the right to beat up anyone, anytime.  And you can't defend yourself or you are a racist.  Others suggested Wilson should have just let him run away.  Again, are blacks above the law, now?  They can rob a store, assualt a cop and try to go for a cops gun, and the cops should just let them go?  And here you are suggesting the police should now always do police work from their car, just in case a criminal tries to rush them.  Another ridiculous notion.

Here are the facts, backed up by several witnesses, some of who were black.  Mike Brown was a thug.  He robbed a store and assaulted the clerk and an officer (and tried to go for his gun.)  Then, instead of choosing to continue to run away or give himself up, he got pissed that the cop told him to stop.  So, he turned around and charged the cop.  The cop was afraid for his own safety, and fired at Brown.  Brown died because of his own stupid actions.  No sad loss of life.  He chose to live his life this way, so he payed the consequences.  The only ones I feel sad for are the families involved.  And for Wilson, who will be labeled a racist, just for doing his job and for reacting like anyone else would have.



as with the UK riots a few years ago, while some are doing it out of emotion, many will be "aggressively protesting" without really caring for the cause and instead abusing it as an opportunity to run amock / destroy property / loot, etc.



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I don't think its a bad decision but the officer did deserve to go to jail for some time. Having said that, the police officer was just protecting himself and that guy was a thief.



    

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MoHasanie said:
I don't think its a bad decision but the officer did deserve to go to jail for some time. Having said that, the police officer was just protecting himself and that guy was a thief.


Just out of curiosity, why do you think he should go to jail if you think he was protecting himself?



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RCTjunkie said:
MoHasanie said:
I don't think its a bad decision but the officer did deserve to go to jail for some time. Having said that, the police officer was just protecting himself and that guy was a thief.


Just out of curiosity, why do you think he should go to jail if you think he was protecting himself?

Because he was careless with his weapon and he did murder someone. 



    

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Dulfite said:
My city is in flames right now and the only thing I can really say is that I so look forward to the return of Jesus. I'm weary of this type of nonsense, weary of the ignorance of politicians/athletes speaking on the matter, weary of people of certain races assuming that someone is innocent just because of the color of his skin, and weary of people burning down businesses/cars/and harming people that are completely unrelated to the case just so they can get a quick buck or have something to laugh about. It's sick.

It's simple. If you DON'T want a cop to shoot at you, you probably shouldn't try to beat the crap out of him or harm him in anyway.

do you actually live in ferguson, or like west county or something, or st. charles?

im near there, but do have family that actually live in ferguson