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ive been watching the streams since the beginning and listening to the police scanner.

ive stopped counting buildings that are or have been burning.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

What a complete waste of time. How many people need to die/seriously wounded for the US to reform its police agencies. All this pointless militarization that can't even actually protect anyone, and unprofessionalism that some agencies display haphazardly actually endangering its citizens is probably the greatest threat on US soil right now.

And what policy needs to be reformed?  A giant man was charging at him.  Regardless of whether he was a citizen or a police officer, he would have pulled his gun and fired.  Or is the new policy supposed to be to just take the beating?



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Areym said:

Exactly. They are showing all of america, all of the world, why the cops in Ferguson profile blacks (granted, there are other races in the protests/riots and it's not every black person)

Exactly, anyone who has followed the peaceful protest in ferguson will realize there are a lot of whites protesting with them that live in that neighbourhood and know what is going on. Mike Brown was just the tipping point cause it got a little more media attention than the multiple incidents that happen.

Well, I certainly know your point of view is certainly not skewed in any way.



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thismeintiel said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

What a complete waste of time. How many people need to die/seriously wounded for the US to reform its police agencies. All this pointless militarization that can't even actually protect anyone, and unprofessionalism that some agencies display haphazardly actually endangering its citizens is probably the greatest threat on US soil right now.

And what policy needs to be reformed.  A giant man was charging at him.  Regardless of whether he was a citizen or a police officer, he would have pulled his gun and fired.  Or is the new policy supposed to be to just take the beating?

How about better training at self-defense, so you know non-lethal options can be taken first, I mean he is an officer, shouldn't that be mandatory. Better shooting lessons perhaps, bullets have a lot of stopping power you know, its not like the "giant man" was also a man of steel. A different officer at the scene perhaps. How about not leaving the body in the street for hours. I don't give a damn about the outcome of the court case itself because the outcome was apparent to me from day 1. What I am talking about is how the Wilson's Agency reacted and poorly managed the situation. Rioting is indicative a fundamental disconect between the officers and the citizens they are sworn to protect.

And regardless of the outcome I can guarantee that absolutely nothing will change from this. More big black men will get shot and or beaten to a pulp, preventing theoretical crimes and theoretical beatings from happening, meanwhile school shootings happen all the time. That's what I'm annoyed with.

And seriously, whats wrong with taking a beating? He'll live its not like that guy was going to break his spine or something. If your not prepared to take on the hazards of the job, why the fuck are you a police officer? How are you gonna protect and serve when you can't even protect your self.

I mean that guy that killed Treyvon was clearly over his head, but this was Wilson's Job...you mean to tell me after assessing the situation the only solution was to shoot an unarmed Giant man? I mean why the hell did he put himself in a position where he was getting charged at?



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thismeintiel said:
And of course they riot. Ruining the very communities they live in, yet still wonder why those areas are so crappy. Sadly, the fact is the people doing this don't give a shit about the case or the person who died or the cop's life who is now ruined without any real evidence of wrongdoing or real justice. They just want an excuse to riot and steal shit.

To be fair to the actual residents of Ferguson this mob action is mostly made up of interloping anarchists who could not care one iota for that community. Sure there are probably some locals out there but for the most part it is people from outside the local Ferguson area.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
thismeintiel said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

What a complete waste of time. How many people need to die/seriously wounded for the US to reform its police agencies. All this pointless militarization that can't even actually protect anyone, and unprofessionalism that some agencies display haphazardly actually endangering its citizens is probably the greatest threat on US soil right now.

And what policy needs to be reformed.  A giant man was charging at him.  Regardless of whether he was a citizen or a police officer, he would have pulled his gun and fired.  Or is the new policy supposed to be to just take the beating?

How about better training at self-defense, so you know non-lethal options can be taken first, I mean he is an officer, shouldn't that be mandatory. Better shooting lessons perhaps, bullets have a lot of stopping power you know, its not like the "giant man" was also a man of steel. A different officer at the scene perhaps. How about not leaving the body in the street for hours. I don't give a damn about the outcome of the court case itself because the outcome was apparent to me from day 1. What I am talking about is how the Wilson's Agency reacted and poorly managed the situation. Rioting is indicative a fundamental disconect between the officers and the citizens they are sworn to protect.

And regardless of the outcome I can guarantee that absolutely nothing will change from this. More big black men will get shot and or beaten to a pulp, preventing theoretical crimes and theoretical beatings from happening, meanwhile school shootings happen all the time. That's what I'm annoyed with.

And seriously, whats wrong with taking a beating? He'll live its not like that guy was going to break his spine or something. If your not prepared to take on the hazards of the job, why the fuck are you a police officer. How are you gonna protect and serve when you can't even protect your self.

What's wrong with a beating? You do know you can kill another human being with your bare hands right? Or inflict life long crippling injuries and/or brain damage. I have served in the military and have been nursing for over 12 years and I can tell you that "taking a beating" can be deadly. No human should have to compromise their personal safety and given the chance should be allowed to defend themselves with deadly force if necessary. You have no idea the damage a human being can do to another with just their bare fists. Not to mention the officer has a gun on him and anyone willing to attack you while armed probably isn't going to stop at just a beating. Officers do get self defense training etc. but there is ALWAYS going to be someone or a situation that can get away from you and you may have to resort to the most final or extreme measure to survive it. Cops are human just like you are.

I find your naivete slightly on that point disturbing. Your one of those why don't they just shoot them in leg and cripple them people aren't you? You probably have no idea why it took the officer several shot to stop this human being from continuing to come at him after attacking him. 

But what I find particularly disturbing is your indifference to the safety of someone whose job it is to protect YOUR safety even more so.



-CraZed- said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
thismeintiel said:

And what policy needs to be reformed.  A giant man was charging at him.  Regardless of whether he was a citizen or a police officer, he would have pulled his gun and fired.  Or is the new policy supposed to be to just take the beating?

How about better training at self-defense, so you know non-lethal options can be taken first, I mean he is an officer, shouldn't that be mandatory. Better shooting lessons perhaps, bullets have a lot of stopping power you know, its not like the "giant man" was also a man of steel. A different officer at the scene perhaps. How about not leaving the body in the street for hours. I don't give a damn about the outcome of the court case itself because the outcome was apparent to me from day 1. What I am talking about is how the Wilson's Agency reacted and poorly managed the situation. Rioting is indicative a fundamental disconect between the officers and the citizens they are sworn to protect.

And regardless of the outcome I can guarantee that absolutely nothing will change from this. More big black men will get shot and or beaten to a pulp, preventing theoretical crimes and theoretical beatings from happening, meanwhile school shootings happen all the time. That's what I'm annoyed with.

And seriously, whats wrong with taking a beating? He'll live its not like that guy was going to break his spine or something. If your not prepared to take on the hazards of the job, why the fuck are you a police officer. How are you gonna protect and serve when you can't even protect your self.

What's wrong with a beating? You do know you can kill another human being with your bare hands right? Or inflict life long crippling injuries and/or brain damage. I have served in the military and have been nursing for over 12 years and I can tell you that "taking a beating" can be deadly. No human should have to compromise their personal safety and given the chance should be allowed to defend themselves with deadly force if necessary. You have no idea the damage a human being can do to another with just their bare fists. Not to mention the officer has a gun on him and anyone willing to attack you while armed probably isn't going to stop at just a beating. Officers do get self defense training etc. but there is ALWAYS going to be someone or a situation that can get away from you and you may have to resort to the most final or extreme measure to survive it. Cops are human just like you are.

I find your naivete slightly on that point disturbing. Your one of those why don't they just shoot them in leg and cripple them people aren't you? You probably have no idea why it took the officer several shot to stop this human being from continuing to come at him after attacking him. 

But what I find particularly disturbing is your indifference to the safety of someone whose job it is to protect YOUR safety even more so.

Couldn't have said it better myself, so I won't even try. 

Though, I will say, it really ticks me off about this whole black vs. white BS.  If this had been a white man who had robbed a store, assualted a black police officer before charging at him and being shot, we wouldn't have heard a god damn thing about it.  But, with the exact same situation, because it was a white cop and a black man, it's all of a sudden racism.  And just like any other case of this kind, for those on the side of the criminal, the facts don't matter at all.  It doesn't matter when eye witnesses (most of them black) corroborate the shooters/officers story.  All that matters is the false story that "civil rights activist" and "reporters" put forward in the first few minutes/hours following the shooting.  "This gentle giant (forget the part where he man-handled a store clerk and officer) was murdered in cold blood after throwing his hands up and getting down on his knees, surrendering (forget the part where he actually charged the officer with the intent to harm/kill him.)



Dulfite said:
NightDragon83 said:
All I gotta say to the people in or around Ferguson after the grand jury's decision is read... is hide yo kids, hide yo wife, and hide yo husband!


I live in st. Louis county, just got back from church, and I literally have my real life Zelda sword unsheathed so I can get to it quick to defend my wife if someone barges down the door. At least I'd have something to keep them at bay with while o try to calm them down. Got to protect my wife though, even if it is a Zelda sword (it is real btw, very sharp).

you dont happen to go to windsor crossing do you?



 

-CraZed- said:

What's wrong with a beating? You do know you can kill another human being with your bare hands right? Or inflict life long crippling injuries and/or brain damage. I have served in the military and have been nursing for over 12 years and I can tell you that "taking a beating" can be deadly. No human should have to compromise their personal safety and given the chance should be allowed to defend themselves with deadly force if necessary. You have no idea the damage a human being can do to another with just their bare fists. Not to mention the officer has a gun on him and anyone willing to attack you while armed probably isn't going to stop at just a beating. Officers do get self defense training etc. but there is ALWAYS going to be someone or a situation that can get away from you and you may have to resort to the most final or extreme measure to survive it. Cops are human just like you are.

I find your naivete slightly on that point disturbing. Your one of those why don't they just shoot them in leg and cripple them people aren't you? You probably have no idea why it took the officer several shot to stop this human being from continuing to come at him after attacking him. 

But what I find particularly disturbing is your indifference to the safety of someone whose job it is to protect YOUR safety even more so.

Yeah, because this giant black man charging at a police officer holding a gun also had military training. 

And I am fully aware of the fact that beatings can be fatal.

However, rather fabricating justification for this insanity. Choosing a side to defend, why not actually address the causes of these conflicts?

Notice, In my intial response I mentioned nothing about the specifics of the incident because I was not aware of them, my issue was and still is with the policies and lack of discipline that allowed this to happen in the first place.

Intel replied to me asking what policies need to be reformed.

Excuse my language but are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? In what reality does what happened make any kind of sense whatsoever? Everything is fine when police officer is "forced" to shoot an assailant when it was supposed to be an arrest of a suspected gas station robbery? It makes sense when the police leave a dead body on the ground for hours? It makes sense when police dodge questions to what should've been a straight forward and open and shut case? How in the hell does nothing need to be reformed?

I do not give a ratass of what actually happened in the incident, I am concerned with all the bullshit that surronded the incident, why this crap had to make national headlines.

How the hell am I supposed to feel safe when I could easily picture myself or rather my mentally ill brother in a similar scenario, where the police are too busy trying to defend one of their own that they can't even do a proper investigation of what happened, where a cop a human just like I am, is given a badge and can commit murder, call it self-defense, and get a slap on the wrist. 

And don't act like I'm just being indifferent to his safety, he knew full well what it means to be a police officer, just like you knew what it meant to serve in the military. If he wanted a safer profession he could be an airplane attendant.

And when this shit happens again, the same old excuses and defenses are going to be pulled out of the broom closet, and then its going to be December and everybody will fucking forget about it just like they did in October, August, September, etc... And nobody is gonna ask the simple god damned question of Why?



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