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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
DD_Bwest said:

can we not turn this into a god debate? we should be debating if people have the right to burn down neighborhoods and terrorize the public if they disagree with legal procedings.

or if purposely pissing off other people not involved in something will help garner their support for you

That's not the debate. Rioting is never "right", at least in the moral context of which it is against, and only justified if it actually accomplishes something. Not to mention equating rioting with terrorism is disingenous. Yes some people are taking advantage of the sitaution, but how did the situation arise in the first place? These are the questions people should be asking or debating.


hmm, well the family sure seemed ok with it last night when the step dad said, and i quote, "burn this bitch down" .. I have nothing against protesting, and if the officer was charged i could care less, but saying that, from his position, at the timing of it, is inciting a riot.

This has turned into nothing more then terrorism.   Protesting is fine, and there is nothing wrong with protesting every day for the rest of forever.  But when you start violence, when you interfear with other peoples lives, it becomes terrorism.  People like to put fancy words aroudn it to try and make themselves feel better, but its terrorism.  they are using fear and violence to try to get what they want over someone else. and to try and say its justified if it accomplishes something is a huge load of crap. 



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
DD_Bwest said:

can we not turn this into a god debate? we should be debating if people have the right to burn down neighborhoods and terrorize the public if they disagree with legal procedings.

or if purposely pissing off other people not involved in something will help garner their support for you

That's not the debate. Rioting is never "right", at least in the moral context of which it is against, and only justified if it actually accomplishes something. Not to mention equating rioting with terrorism is disingenous. Yes some people are taking advantage of the sitaution, but how did the situation arise in the first place? These are the questions people should be asking or debating.

Rioting IS terrorism.  They both hope to achieve the same thing.  A change in policy or public opinion through destruction, violence, and fear.  And it doesn't accomplish anything but a disdain for those that participate in it.  Peaceful protests, like those that occured during the Civil Rights Movement, are what works.  What changes hearts and minds.  Not this crap.  Especially since half, or more, are only taking advantage of the situation so they can pick up some free stuff and/or get a thrill from destroying a neighborhood.



thismeintiel said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
DD_Bwest said:

can we not turn this into a god debate? we should be debating if people have the right to burn down neighborhoods and terrorize the public if they disagree with legal procedings.

or if purposely pissing off other people not involved in something will help garner their support for you

That's not the debate. Rioting is never "right", at least in the moral context of which it is against, and only justified if it actually accomplishes something. Not to mention equating rioting with terrorism is disingenous. Yes some people are taking advantage of the sitaution, but how did the situation arise in the first place? These are the questions people should be asking or debating.

Rioting IS terrorism.  They both hope to achieve the same thing.  A change in policy or public opinion through destruction, violence, and fear.  And it doesn't accomplish anything but a disdain for those that participate in it.  Peaceful protests, like those that occured during the Civil Rights Movement, are what works.  What changes hearts and minds.  Not this crap.  Especially since half, or more, are only taking advantage of the situation so they can pick up some free stuff and/or get a thrill from destroying a neighborhood.

History is determined by the winners. Rioting or any other acts of aggression is an attempt to overwrite the moral systems from the outside. That's why they are only justified if the change something.

I do share the sentiment, at least in this case, their were a variety of other options, a trend you might pick up on in my posts. But in many situations aren't as ideal such as the situation in Venezuela.

Peaceful protesting works within moral systems and so are a lot harder to demonize, but at the same time they take a lot more effort, time, organization, support and logic. Take Arab Spring for instance.

These riots are running off emotion and oppurtunity, meanwhile, everyone is so distracted that nobody is looking at the causes rather than effects. Why are we getting riots instead of peaceful protests. I'd argue that people are too blinded by figments such as race and views of others whether the media, blowing things out of proportion as usual, or rhetoric and emotion filled debates they have with other people.



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thismeintiel said:

Rioting IS terrorism.  They both hope to achieve the same thing.  A change in policy or public opinion through destruction, violence, and fear.  And it doesn't accomplish anything but a disdain for those that participate in it.  Peaceful protests, like those that occured during the Civil Rights Movement, are what works.  What changes hearts and minds.  Not this crap.  Especially since half, or more, are only taking advantage of the situation so they can pick up some free stuff and/or get a thrill from destroying a neighborhood.


This rioting is terrorism, but not all.. lol   sport riots are just drunken hooliganism and for the most part dont have any end goal.. unless your team sucks then it might be lol



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Ha.. i won my bet, but i wasnt around to gloat because im on a better forum!  See ya guys on Viz

mornelithe said:
Dulfite said:

That is the ignorance that, sadly, plagues the worldly perspective about Christianity. Let me clarify; It isn't that if you don't accept Jesus then you find yourself in hell. It is that God offered (and continues to offer) HIS love to you, freely, and if you CHOOSE to reject that love (by rejecting Christ), then you CHOOSE to go to hell. You, and me, and everyone else are responsible enough to decide whether or not we want to accept God's love, or if we'd rather choose to exist without HIM. If you choose to exist without HIM, and go to hell because of that, it is not God's fault as HE offered a way out of it for you. It's totally up to us humans as to what we do. And you may counter by suggesting that the fact that going to hell is the consequence for not loving God suggests HE is evil (as so many do), but if you believe in the God of the Bible (but just have a problem with HIS salvation methods) then that means you believe what happened in Genesis actually happened, which means that you (if you believe the book of Genesis as I do) believe that God intended for man to be with him. All throughout history God has provided ways for man to atone for mankind's sins. HE finally provided us with a way to ultimately remove ourselves from sins and the consequences of sins (through Jesus Christ's life, death, and rising from the dead) and yet the devil has convinced so many around the world to actually view that in a negative way.

The bottom line belief of Christianity is that we are all worthy of hell (me included), yet God gave us a way out. If you don't want to take it, that's your choice and you have to exist with that choice. I'd prefer everyone to exerience the liberating salvation that I have in Christ Jesus, but I can't (and wouldn't want to try to) force anyone to make that choice.

*yawn* Only a belief, unproven etc....  


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enditall727 said:
Dulfite said:


I do not, as a Christian, hold to the belief that there is any specific action (other than accepting Christ as my savior) I can take or wisdom I can gain that would increase the chance of "meeting my creator." Everyone will be judged before the throne of God one day, but those who have accepted God's love through Jesus Christ will be saved. That is my belief. I do not believe in some intellectual ascension. I'm going to meet God one day 100% no matter how "open" my mind is and, thankfully, because of my love for Jesus that will be an incomprehensibly wonderful meeting.

Also, I was not suggesting I would be alive when Christ returns, rather I'm just really looking forward to HIS return.


Well if that was the case then you would be able to get married and cheat on your wife, steal, commit crimes and do other unholy things without judgement as long as you just believe and accept that chriat is your savior.

 

You can't say that you dont believe in an intellectual ascension because that's exactly what going to "heaven" would be. One similar thing that is said when leaving the body and bwing fully in your aoul form is that you immediately hqve a better understanding of things(aka and intellectual ascension)

 

I personally dont like the thought of just waiting for somebody to come save us like were some helpless beings incapable of anything. Like we were just put here to be helpless until somebody came back to save us. We have all this intelligence for nothing? Pretty much a worthless existance when that is not the case.

 

Either way, I hope things work out for you regardless of what you believe


1) That is another greatly misunderstood concept about Christianity from outside of Christianity. Believers know, and unbelievers obviously have a difficult time comprehending this (understandbly due to not having Jesus in their hearts) that someone who seriously has accepted Christ as their savior have a change of heart that reflects Christ. There are plenty of people (maybe even most) that claim to be Christians, but have no relationship with Jesus (and therefore aren't saved) and do things that are very un-Christlike. Cheating on your spouse, stealing, committing crimes without any remorse is a good indication of someone who isn't truly a believer in Jesus Christ and is living a lie. If you love Jesus, you love to act like Jesus.

2) I was saying that I don't believe me meeting my creator is conditional upon my increase in comprehension and wisdom. Obviously, knowing Jesus Christ and reading God's word, and ultimately being with God one day in heaven will and has been making me a wiser person, but my salvation is not in anyway dependent on intelligence. Songs of Solomon is a clear indication that all the intelligence in the world does not really mean much in comparison to having a relationship with God.

3) I was never saying (nor do I believe) that we should sit around and do nothing while we wait for Jesus. The Bible gives us clear indication of what we (and by we, I mean Christians because obviously the Bible doesn't give instructions for what non-believers should be doing) should be doing with our lives; loving God by loving others. Feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, and showing love to anyone and everyone regardless of their beliefs or background. We were all lost sheep and so we should have compassion for those that still are lost sheep, just as Christ had (and has) compassion on us. The Bible is not a calling for inaction and laziness, but one of passion and love applied through constant action. 



mtu9356 said:
Moral of the story: RESPECT authority

Even when authority has no respect for you?

Respect is to be earned, not given.



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What we need now is Police body cameras.



DD_Bwest said:
thismeintiel said:
 

Rioting IS terrorism.  They both hope to achieve the same thing.  A change in policy or public opinion through destruction, violence, and fear.  And it doesn't accomplish anything but a disdain for those that participate in it.  Peaceful protests, like those that occured during the Civil Rights Movement, are what works.  What changes hearts and minds.  Not this crap.  Especially since half, or more, are only taking advantage of the situation so they can pick up some free stuff and/or get a thrill from destroying a neighborhood.


This rioting is terrorism, but not all.. lol   sport riots are just drunken hooliganism and for the most part dont have any end goal.. unless your team sucks then it might be lol

Those riots also cause damage, looting and violence yet the National Guard, Military vehicles, guns pointed and tear gas aren't used. I don't think anyone could argue that this situation was handled right.



I love that the focus is on the black people rioting but not what causes the need for such catharsis. So many on the side of the same police force that used violence against peaceful protesters only months ago.

I tend to be a huge supporter of non violence but this is getting ridiculous. When those who vow to protect and serve the community are repeatedly the ones enacting excessive violence against it then how can anyone respect such authority or feel safe in their community.

Cop fears for their safety and despite being trained and armed it's okay to enact excessive violence in that situation. Why not the same with the community? They have every right to feel in danger of their lives given what the people responsible for serving and protecting have done to them and how the legal system provides no accountability.