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iTechHeads said:

You see Uncharted is a much biggr franchise and its an exclusive. Tomb Raider has no chance even as a multiplatform title in matching Uncharted sales.


You said Tomb Raider wasn't a big deal, originally (at least, I think that was you).  Tomb Raider isn't as big as Uncharted anymore but do you at least admit that it's a big deal?  How much does a game have to sell to be a big deal?  And hell, if it's good, does it matter how much it sells compared to Uncharted?



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I didn't like the newest Tomb Raider, quite a few issues with the game imo.

The open world hubs made the game a lot worse, usually starting and required to go to one end and backtrack to the other. It made the main game feel very fetch quest like. I actually prefer the more linear approach Uncharted took.

Additionally, the control feels like ass. Lara Croft jumps like Michael Jordan on the moon and not only how it feels to play but the control of them as well. Many parts I'd jump from one location and change direction mid air to make it to certain locations easier.

I also played on hard at the start hearing how easy it was and it was still easy. I played 60% through the game, according to the game itself, then quit and sold the game as I have no intention on playing it again.

So I don't care about Rise of the Tomb Raider. Didn't care when we all thought it was exclusive and still don't care knowing I'll be able to pick it up a year or two later.



d21lewis said:
iTechHeads said:

You see Uncharted is a much biggr franchise and its an exclusive. Tomb Raider has no chance even as a multiplatform title in matching Uncharted sales.


You said Tomb Raider wasn't a big deal, originally (at least, I think that was you).  Tomb Raider isn't as big as Uncharted anymore but do you at least admit that it's a big deal?  How much does a game have to sell to be a big deal?  And hell, if it's good, does it matter how much it sells compared to Uncharted?

No, its really not a big deal. Let's look at the sales again.

PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
1 Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception PS3 2011 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 2.66 2.64 0.19 1.04 6.53
PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal











2 Tomb Raider (2013) X360 2013 Action Square Enix 0.77 0.79 0.01 0.16 1.75
6 Tomb Raider (2013) XOne 2014 Action Square Enix 0.13 0.07 0.00 0.01 0.21

Tomb Raider is not a big franchise on Xbox.  Less than 2 Million sales on an install base of 85 million+. That's not very impressive. Sony has nothing to worry about. Uncharted 4 will easily overshadow the next Tomb Raider, at least in sales. Whether the game will be good or not doesn't really matter. 2013s Tomb Raider was good but it didn't really sell as much as it should have. Uncharted 3 wasn't as good as Uncharted 2 but it sold more. Brand name means a lot and right now Uncharted is way way bigger.



nah it will bomb. 



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^ Rise of the Tomb Raider will sell over two million on the Xbox One because of exclusivity despite the combined sales of the original didn't reach that.

People who had no interest in the last game will suddenly make statements that it's one of the greatest games of all  time. Kind of like Bayonetta 2.



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I just wanna face palm so hard right now, the internet never ceases to amaze me -___-



Fantastic game.. for me gameplay wise, it knocked Uncharted sideways.



the game was fun, will buy it when it comes to steam. and TR is much bigger than UC, it ha a big cultural effect in the old days. every body knows lara, the chances that TRreboot 2 will sale more than UC arent that small.



So being a cross gen game kills all your hype and nullifys the games potential?

I guess none of you got hyped for dragon age, shadow of mordor or far cry either but are absolutely blown away by AC unity, lords of the fallen and driveclub?



yvanjean said:

Microsoft is trying to have Rise of Tomb Raider go up against Uncharted 4 with this timed exclusive deal.

I previously had not played the new Tomb Raider game and felt that no Tomb Raider could ever compare to Uncharted. But fast forward this weekend where I played over 20hours and finished Tomb Raider Difinitive Edition. The game is freakin amazing. I hope that the money received from the timed exclusive really helps development of Rise of Tomb Raider and they improve an already great formula. 

Rise of The Tomb Raider may not be as epic as Uncharted 4 but Crystal Dynamic does have a franchise that will at least rival Naughty dogs and especially for Xbox One owners they have a title thats comparable to Uncharted 4 next Holiday. Microsoft deal for a timed exclusive now peg PS4's Uncharted 4 vs Xbox One's Rise of the Tomb Raider during Holiday 2015. The deal might only be timed exclusive but as far as Holiday 2015 Rise of the Tomb Raider will be compared to Uncharted 4.

It's a win/win deal for both console owner.... PS4 get a great game after they finished playing Uncharted 4 and Xbox One owners get an improved version of Tomb Raider (extra $$$ for development) that can compare to the PS4's Uncharted during Holiday 2015.

Gamers are a fickle bunch...

They will lose sales from PS4 no doubt. Just look at Plant's Vs Zombies garden warfare... by the time the PS4 version came out the XBO version had already been heavily discounted... meaning that people were less likely to invest full price. They were probably less likely because once a game has launched you lose a bunch of people who might have been interested in it. Launch day hype is very important in game sales, if the game has already been on the shelf for a while, a new other platform release will garner even less interest (just watch out for how bad Watch Dogs Wii-u does - even if Wii-u sales are not particularly good but you will see what I mean)

So for me, CD might get some upfront cash, but they shouldnt hold out the hope that the PS4 version when it comes will sell any substantial numbers. Personally with Sony's insistance on releasing games early in the year, its most likely going to be up against (when it releases on PS4) a PS4 exclusive or two... which will also dent its sales. For me its Lose Lose for CD.



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