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Mr Khan said:
HylianSwordsman said:

Fucking hell, are you serious? Fuck you Nintendo! That doesn't even make sense! They're on bottom! Bowser still wasn't that great this time around, but that made him worth playing to me. They fucking ruined that now. Bowser could have been a major contender competitively this time around, but no, he's going to be mid tier at best now.

Being able to up-B from the bottom of the screen wouldn't help in final destination, though, except maybe for Pac Man and Villager.


Depends if they retain a midair jump, and I don't see why they wouldn't since they didn't use it yet in theory. In which case Pit and Dark Pit would make it (probably without the jump even), and Rosalina (also might not need the jump), and Sonic and Megaman, and Kirby and Dedede, and Zelda. With a little skill, Pacman can do it without the midair jump, and Villager can do it effortlessly, as can Rob. Olimar can do it jumpless if he's without Pikmin and his Pikmin would of course not be with him at this point. If and when Snake is added, he'll probably be able to do it if he still has that flying camera drone thing. So about a quarter to a third of the roster can do it with midair jumps, about a sixth of the roster can do it with just the up-b.

Regardless, the funnest part of being Bowser, executing the Bowsercide, has been nerfed.



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whats with the slight Mario nerf?
hes my main im upset about this even if it is .5%



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HylianSwordsman said:
Mr Khan said:
HylianSwordsman said:

Fucking hell, are you serious? Fuck you Nintendo! That doesn't even make sense! They're on bottom! Bowser still wasn't that great this time around, but that made him worth playing to me. They fucking ruined that now. Bowser could have been a major contender competitively this time around, but no, he's going to be mid tier at best now.

Being able to up-B from the bottom of the screen wouldn't help in final destination, though, except maybe for Pac Man and Villager.


Depends if they retain a midair jump, and I don't see why they wouldn't since they didn't use it yet in theory. In which case Pit and Dark Pit would make it (probably without the jump even), and Rosalina (also might not need the jump), and Sonic and Megaman, and Kirby and Dedede, and Zelda. With a little skill, Pacman can do it without the midair jump, and Villager can do it effortlessly, as can Rob. Olimar can do it jumpless if he's without Pikmin and his Pikmin would of course not be with him at this point. If and when Snake is added, he'll probably be able to do it if he still has that flying camera drone thing. So about a quarter to a third of the roster can do it with midair jumps, about a sixth of the roster can do it with just the up-b.

Regardless, the funnest part of being Bowser, executing the Bowsercide, has been nerfed.

As my sig indicates, i use Bowser a lot and very rarely use side-B. I've been trying to use it more in the air since it seems to help landing speed. But when i'm on the ground i'd rather just clobber them.



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tbone51 said:
Rosalina players, use B to get luma back..... FASTER??? O.o


This is false, 13 seconds no matter what!



I always though Bowsercide was cheap so I'm not sad to see it go. He's still 10x better than he was in Brawl or Melee.



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toot1231 said:
whats with the slight Mario nerf?
hes my main im upset about this even if it is .5%


Ikr? Sakurai must have something against him as he's been nerfing him since Melee.



Einsam_Delphin said:
tbone51 said:
Rosalina players, use B to get luma back..... FASTER??? O.o


This is false, 13 seconds no matter what!

When Luma is away from you and you press B Luma comes back faster. His respawn time is longer though and that's good since it makes killing him worthwhile.



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Einsam_Delphin said:
tbone51 said:
Rosalina players, use B to get luma back..... FASTER??? O.o


This is false, 13 seconds no matter what!


I meant throw luma away, and return him with Special B move, it travels alot faster to come back.



TruckOSaurus said:
I always though Bowsercide was cheap so I'm not sad to see it go. He's still 10x better than he was in Brawl or Melee.


agreed ive lost so many games because of his annoying side b glad its gone.



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Here's a more complete list of changes (damn you Nintendo for not releasing that info!)

Stuff that looks untouched :

-Rolls (:/)

-Shields

-Sonic, Pit, Dark Pit, Jigglypuff, Charizard, Donkey Dong, Peach, Palutena (will edit later)

Bugs :

-Bomb canceling fixed

-Turnip canceling fixed

-Yoshi teleport fixed

-Wectoring fixed

-Greninja's Dair cancel fixed

-Hyper Rollout fixed

-Villager's rocket kill on the ledge fixed

Bowser :

-Bowsercide = Bowser dies first -Fsmash deals 2% less damages, meaning that Dedede/Ganondorf now have the most powerful Smash in the game.

-Down tilt's second hit is harder to connect

Rosalina :

-Luma timer increased to 13 seconds

-Nair deals less damage, less kb as well

-Neutral B's distance covered has been lowered (Which is, in fact, a buff, that shit was hard to land properly.)

-Luma comes back faster

Ness :

-Down Throw nerfed from 9% to 7% (;_;)

-It now does the correct amount of damages on G&W

Marth :

-Looks like his Dthrow/Fthrow give more followups. (fuck yes)

Lucina :

-Looks like her Dthrow/Fthrow g-oh wait I just said that two lines ago

Ike :

-Ike's Fair is significantly faster

-Looks like it can autocancel as well

-His Nair comes a bit quicker

-Jab looks fixed so all 3 attacks connect properly

-Ending lag on his Ftilt and Dtilt reduced

-Back air seems faster but I'm not sure at all

-Back air's damages increased by 1%

Toon Link:

-Jab damages increased by 1%

-His Utilt still does 5% despite the fact it does 6 on Wii U

Shulk :

All Shulk's moves but Backslash are buffed, most of them do more damages (Ranging from 1% to 3%)

Little Mac :

-Jab does less damages

-KO Punch got buffed, KOes earlier (Somebody on Smashboards calced : It used to ko Jigs at 19% with vectoring, now it kills at 13%)

Falco :

-Blaster comes out quicker

-Our prayers got answered ! Dair is faster. (Not instant but still quite fast now.)

Sheik :

-Looks like needles now have some ending lag to em

-Down B has less knockback

-Uair has less knockback

-Fair deals less damages

Zero Suit Samus :

-Side B now connects properly

-Air Dodge's landing lag standardized to the usual 22 frames

-Neutral B has more ending lag

-Neutral B quick shot has less range

Greninja :

-More lag on Usmash

Olimar :

-Pikmin Toss does more damages

Pacman :

-Hydrant got sturdier to the point Pacman's back-air can't send it flying

Mr Game & Watch :

-Thunder no longer completely fills Oil Panic's bucket

King Dedede :

-Down Throw now sends upward

-Dededecide kills Dedede first now

Zelda :

-Up tilt does 1% more damage

-Looks like Din's Fire has less ending lag to it

Ganondorf :

-Looks like Nair has less lag

Megaman :

-Looks like Leaf Shield throws out faster

Meta Knight :

-Nair deals more damages

-Down B sends more horizontally, allowing for earlier KOs

-Fthrow damages fixed

-Bthrow has a tiny bit more knockback

-Rejoice ! Bair KOs about ~25% earlier ! MK has a ko move eveybody !

Kirby :

-Foot based attacks have a bigger hitbox, kind of like Yoshi's tail attacks.

-Kirbycide kills Kirby first

-Looks like he's faster

-Nair has more lag ?

-Uair faster

-Upsmash has a sourspot

Luigi :

-Fsmash deals more damages

Mario :

-Utilt deals less damages

Wii Fit Trainer :

-Looks like Nair deals less damages, need confirmation on that one

-Air Dodge's landing lag standardized to the usual 22 frames

-Uair deals more damages

Pikachu :

-More knockback on Fsmash, Side B and Down B

Wario :

-No longer has that troublesome release animation so some characters can't combo him as easily as before

Link :

-Fsmash's second hit connects more easily



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