Nobody is saying how bad this is coming from Kojima or Sony, we are discusting if there is a real need of space for this kind of games or games in general, or this is just a way to promote the Sony products...

Of course sony need more good press, and this sounds like one of these.. is bad??? nop, is addresing a real issue in the game industry???

And I have no problems with the prerendered videos either, looks good, and they can put on it, its ok, but he said something like "their are forcing us (asking us, paying us, we are forced by contrac etc)" and then the tone changes after the dead of the hd-dvd??? is kinda suspicious, thats all...

And with the power of da cell, I mean: "this can be done in the 360" ...

@ Auron

He is right, the game involves a lot of cut scenes, sometimes you kill a boss a then, pump 10 minutes hearing how bad you really are... 

I don't think Sony is really "forcing" him. Honestly, Kojima Productions has even been saying Kojima wants 1080p really, really bad. I really think of this as a "He wants to" kind of thing...Hell, if MGS4 was only 25.01GB, I bet Kojima would still put it on the Dual-layer because he's just that kind of guy. I honestly trust that all the cutscenes are in-game. This is Kojima, and he's not one to let the man tell him what to do. Afterall, I heard he got pissed about the MGS2 port to the Xbox...though I'm going by what someone on another forum said, he's a major fan of MGS.

This is the last game, maybe there is just a lot of content on it...maybe Kojima wanted Snake to go out with a bang. We won't know until the game comes out, but I think I can trust Kojima.

EDIT:

The main thing I notice now is that foreign audio is being cut out of certain versions. The audio is uncompressed, and there is at least 60 hours of it. Uncompressed, 60 hours of audio...that definitely fills up huge chunk of that 50GB space. I'm sure of it now, all the cutscenes, everything is in-game. 

Yeah forcing in the industry can mean a lot of things... But hey, he said it clearly, not me...

The whole "cut-scene are in game" is already debunked, there is a couple of trailers out there and all look prerendered, most of the people agree with that, if you don't believe me, compare the quality of the light, shadows, particles, cloth simulation, and face gestures of the trailers vs the game demos... (The shadow maps look really bad in some places, but is an old demo...)...

I don't pretend to discuss this any further, so far we have two Kojima statemens, both are not mutually exclusive, and the only thing we can do know is wait...

MGS can be fulled of uncompressed 7.0 audio + tons of hd prerendered videos, or been the longest game evar, what does it sound more likely???

Neither. Full of 60 hours of UNCOMPRESSED 7.0 audio. I have a feeling the audio is taking up a huge chunk of this. Just like with Heavenly sword, 10GB of the game was audio....2/3 of the game was audio. All that there is for you guys to go by are the videos, just like all I have to go by is Kojima's word. But let me ask you this, what all does a in-game video have to be processed compared to actual in-game controlling? When you are moving around with the controller, that has to be processed as well as other values...ammo, the position of the bullets as you shoot them and stuff like that. I

n-game rendering is just a bunch of polygons with textures loaded onto them with sound going along with it. There are no other values to be calculated. Also, in-game a much bigger area is probably loaded for you to move around in while in-game rendered videos can just be in one area of the game and not have all the rest of that area loaded. In-game rendering of videos doesn't take as much power as the actual playing of the game. More textures need to be loaded for the much wider and bigger area to move around in for the actual playing of the game. Did any of you ever consider this?

EDIT: My bad, got my math wrong on Heavenly Sword....I was thinking about a single-layer HD-DVD for some reason. That should be 2/5 instead for a single layer BD...it's 12:30 here...I should be in bed and I only had 4 hours of sleep last time I slept. Sorry for the incorrect statement.

So my buddy at Microsoft was right..

$80 games confirmed :)

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Umm, back on topic...kinda. What's the largest PC game released thus far? I'm just interested in term of comparison. Looking through the games i have, there's nothing more than about 6-7gigs, but then again i haven't bought any games in the last year.

1.- First, audio is not "game", maybe 2/3 of the disc space is audio...

2.- What does the ingame control has to do with this discusion about the reason of the "50 gbs is not enough" statement???

3.- Theres a lot of values calculated for each frame, please, if you don't know how an engine works, stop make assumptions like this...

4.- Knobody has stated the opposite... and why you keep bringgin off topic things???

5.- In game videos are used to hide load times using very few resources, thats why I don't think they are going to use them, because so far the videos showed have a lot of quality, they look a lot better than just a ingame video...

I would be willing to bet an X360 port could be done with one DVD.

Sure you would have to sacrifice the pre-rendered cutscenes to some extent, slightly compress the audio and some of the textures but you would get the same game onto one DVD which would be just as fun.