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Aura7541 on 14 November 2014
srmiller82 said:
Aura7541 said:
srmiller82 said:

-SNIP-

If you compare the 360 and X1's first full calendar years, the 360 is beating its successor thus far. Had it not for the very frontloaded launch, the X1 would actually be behind. We also need to put into the account that the 360 was supply constrained for much of 2006 while the X1 was oversupplied. The X1 can't sell well outside of the holiday season and that's bad. The outlook for the console in 2015 is not good until September. It's important to sell consistently and release games that people want evenly. The X1 failed to do that this year and will fail to do it next year. Check out the PS4's 2015 lineup and how its exclusives are evenly spaced out. The Order: 1886 in February, Bloodborne in March, and MLB 15: The Show in April. Not to mention games like No Man's Sky, Hellblade, Uncharted 4, Rime, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, N++, The Vanishing of Ethan Carter, The Tomorrow Children, Wild, Tearaway Unfolded, and even more will be coming out, too. Huge contrast there.

-SNIP-

The games that don't interest your are interesting to many other people. Not to mention, you haven't even tried those games yet!! I highly doubt that you've actually took the time to research those games, as well. You don't represent everyone else's tastes in gaming. That said, the PS4 has a vastly more diverse library than the X1. Diversity sells, which allowed the PS3 to outsell the 360. The 360's library became very stale and monotonous after 2010. That carried onto the X1, as its library is too dudebro. It wasn't until Sunset Overdrive that broke the trend, but it takes a lot more than one game to deem the X1's library to be diverse.

Those games that take a more artisitic and unorthodox approach tend to sell less than mainstream games, but the cumulative effect of several of them is big. Not to mention, multiplats sell better on the PS4 since they tend to run at better performance, so I don't really see how that's helping your argument.

Oh, and I forgot to mention Ys, Disgaea 5, Dragon Quest Heroes, Persona 5, The Witness, Until Dawn, and God Eater 2: Rage Burst. Sorry, there are just too many games coming out on the PS4 that it's very hard for me to remember them all from my head.

And stop calling people "kids". If you're unwilling to speak in a civil and constructive manner, then I suggest that you hold off from discussing with me any further.



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Fusioncode on 14 November 2014
TheDrill said:
GribbleGrunger said:

Once you've had a big dose of humility, I'm hoping you stop making threads like this. You seem to think Sony will just sit there and let MS have all the sales. Have you considered the GTA5 bundle or is that not part of your assessment? And do you think that the LBP3 bundle won't have any effect whatsoever, baring in mind that it broadens the demographic rather than just narrowing it.

MS are making exactly the same mistake they make every generation. They're targeting FPS fans, which is why games outside of that genre will always struggle to sell on the XB1. In the mean time, Sony are broadening that demographic, which is why a variety of games sell well on the PS4 (and sold well on previous consoles). It's not about hitting COD/GTA numbers, it's about offering a variety of games and opening up the platform for more interesting titles.

The XB1 just might close the gap slightly in these next two months but next year Sony will sell more yet again, as they always have. It's all well and good winning when you're dropping your price and giving away free games, but that's not sustainable in the long run and those shareholders will start getting vocal again.

 

Look at previous generations, LBP didn't sell 1/10 of what Call of duty or Halo did on X360

what makes you think LBP3 will?

CoD is one of the biggest franchises ever.

LBP - 5.54m

Halo 3 - 11.95m

Best selling Halo vs best selling LittleBigPlanet. You have strange way of doing math if you see a 10 to 1 discrepancy here. 



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

DonFerrari on 14 November 2014

It is so funny how people in vgc that claims credentials, to be in the know or specialists make the most nonsensical posts



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

TheDrill on 14 November 2014
Aura7541 said:
srmiller82 said:
Aura7541 said:
srmiller82 said:

-SNIP-

If you compare the 360 and X1's first full calendar years, the 360 is beating its successor thus far. Had it not for the very frontloaded launch, the X1 would actually be behind. We also need to put into the account that the 360 was supply constrained for much of 2006 while the X1 was oversupplied. The X1 can't sell well outside of the holiday season and that's bad. The outlook for the console in 2015 is not good until September. It's important to sell consistently and release games that people want evenly. The X1 failed to do that this year and will fail to do it next year. Check out the PS4's 2015 lineup and how its exclusives are evenly spaced out. The Order: 1886 in February, Bloodborne in March, and MLB 15: The Show in April. Not to mention games like No Man's Sky, Hellblade, Uncharted 4, Rime, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, N++, The Vanishing of Ethan Carter, The Tomorrow Children, Wild, Tearaway Unfolded, and even more will be coming out, too. Huge contrast there.

-SNIP-

The games that don't interest your are interesting to many other people. Not to mention, you haven't even tried those games yet!! I highly doubt that you've actually took the time to research those games, as well. You don't represent everyone else's tastes in gaming. That said, the PS4 has a vastly more diverse library than the X1. Diversity sells, which allowed the PS3 to outsell the 360. The 360's library became very stale and monotonous after 2010. That carried onto the X1, as its library is too dudebro. It wasn't until Sunset Overdrive that broke the trend, but it takes a lot more than one game to deem the X1's library to be diverse.

Those games that take a more artisitic and unorthodox approach tend to sell less than mainstream games, but the cumulative effect of several of them is big. Not to mention, multiplats sell better on the PS4 since they tend to run at better performance, so I don't really see how that's helping your argument.

Oh, and I forgot to mention Ys, Disgaea 5, Dragon Quest Heroes, Persona 5, The Witness, Until Dawn, and God Eater 2: Rage Burst. Sorry, there are just too many games coming out on the PS4 that it's very hard for me to remember them all from my head.

And stop calling people "kids". If you're unwilling to speak in a civil and constructive manner, then I suggest that you hold off from discussing with me any further.


Diversity has no value when you take most PS3 exclusives, add them up and they only make up to what the Halo series sold.

CoD and Halo on X360 sold more than all uncharted, + god of war + LBP on PS3 + a bunch of others.

You can't say diversity sells when a single game can sell 10 millions while another only 1.



Aura7541 on 14 November 2014
TheDrill said:
Aura7541 said:

The games that don't interest your are interesting to many other people. Not to mention, you haven't even tried those games yet!! I highly doubt that you've actually took the time to research those games, as well. You don't represent everyone else's tastes in gaming. That said, the PS4 has a vastly more diverse library than the X1. Diversity sells, which allowed the PS3 to outsell the 360. The 360's library became very stale and monotonous after 2010. That carried onto the X1, as its library is too dudebro. It wasn't until Sunset Overdrive that broke the trend, but it takes a lot more than one game to deem the X1's library to be diverse.

Those games that take a more artisitic and unorthodox approach tend to sell less than mainstream games, but the cumulative effect of several of them is big. Not to mention, multiplats sell better on the PS4 since they tend to run at better performance, so I don't really see how that's helping your argument.

Oh, and I forgot to mention Ys, Disgaea 5, Dragon Quest Heroes, Persona 5, The Witness, Until Dawn, and God Eater 2: Rage Burst. Sorry, there are just too many games coming out on the PS4 that it's very hard for me to remember them all from my head.

And stop calling people "kids". If you're unwilling to speak in a civil and constructive manner, then I suggest that you hold off from discussing with me any further.


Diversity has no value when you take most PS3 exclusives, add them up and they only make up to what the Halo series sold.

CoD and Halo on X360 sold more than all uncharted, + god of war + LBP on PS3 + a bunch of others.

You can't say diversity sells when a single game can sell 10 millions while another only 1.

CoD is a multiplat game. I don't even know why you even put that in there.

And many of PS3's exclusives didn't sell only 1 million. Infamous 1 and 2 sold way over 1 million. Same goes for LittleBigPlanet. The Last of Us, Valkyria Chronicles, Demon's Souls, God of War III and Ascension, and the Ratchet & Clank games are also good examples. So your opening sentence is completely false.

And just because some games don't sell as well as Halo or COD, doesn't mean they're irrelevant. As I said before, the cumulative effect of those games is significant. These games appeal to the audience that don't like shooters or action games and rather play games of other genres like JRPGs or platformers.



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Zekkyou on 14 November 2014
TheDrill said:

My posts are full of reason, logic and well argumented.

My prediction made months ago only now comes to fruition, and it shows that I was 100 % right.

Please re-read what I have said and tell me exactly where I was wrong, unreasonble or illogical.

How has your prediction been proved '100% right'? You predicted the X1 would pass the PS4's LT USA sales. The PS4 still has a 1m sales lead, so evidently, your prediction hasn't actually happened yet ^^

I'm curious to know though; if the X1 winning for 2 weeks is proof of your prediction being correct, why have you ignored every week that the PS4 won in the US? You claim your prediction is "well argumented", and yet you ignore data. What will you say if the PS4 wins next week or the week after?



Aura7541 on 14 November 2014
Zekkyou said:
TheDrill said:

My posts are full of reason, logic and well argumented.

My prediction made months ago only now comes to fruition, and it shows that I was 100 % right.

Please re-read what I have said and tell me exactly where I was wrong, unreasonble or illogical.

How has your prediction been proved '100% right'? You predicted the X1 would pass the PS4's LT USA sales. The PS4 still has a 1m sales lead, so evidently, your prediction hasn't actually happened yet ^^

I'm curious to know though; if the X1 winning for 2 weeks is proof of your prediction being correct, why have you ignored every week that the PS4 won in the US? You claim your prediction is "well argumented", and yet you ignore data. What will you say if the PS4 wins next week or the week after?

Not to mention that it is not guaranteed that the X1 will win November NPD. What if the two PS4 Black Friday bundles that SCEA just announced force a tie? The gap will still be 1 million and the PS4 will have a much better chance at taking December than this month.



GribbleGrunger on 14 November 2014
TheDrill said:


Diversity has no value when you take most PS3 exclusives, add them up and they only make up to what the Halo series sold.

CoD and Halo on X360 sold more than all uncharted, + god of war + LBP on PS3 + a bunch of others.

You can't say diversity sells when a single game can sell 10 millions while another only 1.

What the heck are you talking about? What has the sales of a game got to do with a console selling better because of more variety? Why are you confusing the sales of a game with the broadening of a demographic? How does Halo encourage people other than FPS fans to buy the XB1? They're two completely different subjects. It's easy to understand. Ask people what the PS brand means to them and they'll all have different reasons. Ask people what the Xbox brand means to them and they'll say Forza, Halo or Gears. This is the mistake MS make every generation.

It's starting to feel like you just want a competition and not a debate.



 

The PS5 Exists. 


DonFerrari on 15 November 2014

Also he conveniently forgot FM haven't got even close to passing 10M which GT have done for all but GT6...

Not even Halo have outsold GT4 sales.

And he don't even look at the sales of the games he downplay... TLOU is passing 10M soon as well, LBP is close to 5M, UC passing 7M. Plenty of great sales and varied games.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DrDoomz on 15 November 2014

TheDrill said:
 

1) My posts are full of reason, logic and well argumented.

2) My prediction made months ago only now comes to fruition, and it shows that I was 100 % right.


1) "Globally in the US"

2) "It will have more units sold in the US by January 2015, and start outselling it from there."

SMH...