Anyone that remotely know how I post will have gathered that I am strongly against this very type of comparisons. Thats primarily because I believe they are usually always done unfairly and unrealistically. So I made this thread to explain exactly why. Now I am invitng all the PC guys here and the console guys to agree or disagree with my reasoning. This will not stop some from still making such comaprisons but I hope this thread or post would serve as a very good way to put things in perspective. So onto the points.

1. HARDWARE
   Ignoring the display. Lets start with what is in the box. For consoles, you go out and spend $350-$400 for a box that comes with a console, an OS, a controller, a HDMI cable, power cable, disc drive and a headset (and maybe a free game). Then you connect that box to your TV. If anyone will be comparing a PC to a console, shoudn't it only be fair to compare a PC that cost just as much and will give you the exact same things in the box? A PC that will come with at least a mouse/keyboard or a controller, a video cable, disc drive and an OS. For the exact same price of $350-$400.
   
   
2. PERFORMANCE
   This ties directly into the above point. If I spend $1000 on a GPU alone. It sure as hell will out perform a GPU that costs $400 or even a GPU that costs $200. I think this is something any PC gamer can relate with. It would be a special kinda stupid to expect a $200GPU to perform as well as a $1000 or even a $3000 GPU. So if screenshots of PC games are put up for the sole purpose of comparing them to consoles, shouldn't the PC in question generating the in game screen shot be at least similarly priced to the console in question. Cause at the end of the day the real comparison is what you can get for your money. If you are comparing the performance of something that costs 4 times more than a console then doesn't that defeat the purpose? Thats like trying to drag race a honda civic with an enzo ferrari.
   
   
3. CONSUMER TYPE
   There is a very very big difference between a hardcore PC gamer and a console gamer. Put simply, a console gamer just wants ease of access. A box they just buy and plug into their TV. A box that will do everything for them that needs to be done to run the game. So if a PC gamer is going to argue with a console gamer, shouldn't they at least consider that that console gamer is most likely not willing or interested in doing all the things that you may have to do to get a great PC rig at the afore mentioned $350-$400. Like scrounge for used/refurbished parts.. basically build your own RIG. These are ppl that wanna just go and buy a box that works. What sense does it now make to start a PC argument by "you can BUILD a system better than that with teh same amount of money if you are willing to get a little creative or resourceful".
   
   I also think that some PC gamers can be obnoxious. Cause they act like a consumer wnting to spend what he/she deems is all they need to spend for their gaming is stupid. Some people want to spend $350-$400 for a console. Some people are willing to spend way more for a PC if need be. Whats wrong with any of that?

Can't really have an open discussion if you're going to exclude the biggest expense for console.  If you're going to limit the cost of the PC, you should limit the cost of the TV/Monitor.

Biased framework aside, it's about choice, and what you enjoy.  I enjoy putting computers together, I enjoy tinkering around with them, and I prefer using mouse/keyboard over controller for most games.  Doesn't mean I won't play a console exclusive with a controller, but it does mean if the game is multi plat (and meets my standards), I'll get it on PC.  Your finances are irrelevant to me.  When I purchase things, it's about my finances and it's about my capacity to put money away to achieve my goals.

PS. Most GPU's come with a free game, as do many gaming motherboards. (I got far cry 3 free, at one point, NBA something something, in another).

Sigh.... why i ignored the display is cause that is the one thing that applies to everyone. I am not also factoring in the cost of a display for a PC. Hell, I am even assuming that you can just as easily plug a PC into a standard HDTV if you don't want to spend more on a dedicated display and if your primary reason for getting the PC is to play games.

How is this biased? Can you play a PC without getting some form of display? neither can you play a console. I have eliminated the one thing that both of them absolutely needs. But somehow I am being biased?

Tha aside, I don't think you realize that you are making teh exact point I was making too. But keep talking about achieving your goals and your finances... can't even start to imagine where that came from.

1. No - consoles are sold cheaper and make money back on games being $60/£40+. Games on the PC are much cheaper and so are monitors compared to TVs.

2. A cheap £100 gpu will outstrip a console, and these $1000 gpus are so powerful compared to the games you cant see the difference between those gpus and a $250 gpu...unless running at 4k.

3. Consoles are better for casual/social gaming adue to ease and location (the lounge). PCs do more (Office) and are far more powerful.

It's disingenuous to ignore certain necessary factors to the expense of getting into HD gaming.  A 1080p monitor, is quite a bit cheaper than a 1080p TV, even moreso if you adjust for distance from TV/Monitor.

It's disingenuous to ignore certain necessary factors to the expense of getting into HD gaming.  A 1080p monitor, is quite a bit cheaper than a 1080p TV, even moreso if you adjust for distance from TV/Monitor.

Not all of what you said is true. And doesn't even tie to why this thread ws made. 

The points you are disagreeing with aren only relevant if you can explain why disagreeing with them ties into what this thread is actually about.

here is a quote from my OP. And what this thread is really about. 

"Anyone that remotely know how I post will have gathered that I am strongly against this very type of comparisons. Thats primarily because I believe they are usually always done unfairly and unrealistically. So I made this thread to explain exactly why. Now I am invitng all the PC guys here and the console guys to agree or disagree with my reasoning."