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Which company will have better results come fiscal year end in 2015?

Sony 88 20.00%
 
Microsoft 82 18.64%
 
Nintendo 225 51.14%
 
Ouya 45 10.23%
 
Total:440
Captain_Tom on 31 October 2014

Dud the 3DS is cheap to make and selling well. How is this a surprise to anyone?



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SoulMessiah on 31 October 2014
theprof00 said:
ExplodingBlock said:
Microsoft will pull the most profit in 2015, I think Nintendo will also pull a much smaller profit and Sony will probably have around 2b loss

We're talking game division. Obviously MS will post the most profit. They are the only ones that are actually a functional company with lots of other successful products.


Take away a 3 decade monopoly from MS and they are one of the most irrelevant companies in technology....Nothing in the consumer space has been much of any success. please. MS has been living off that windows monopoly forever,



Proxy-Pie on 31 October 2014

Atleast they're finally breaking even...



small44 on 31 October 2014
theprof00 said:
Teeqoz you said it would hit 10m easily. Small44, you implicitly agreed with him by countering me on his post.
Yet both of you only think it will do 5m by jan 1 2016?

Ok, how about this.
1.7m first month
Jan 1 2016 3.2m
2m more sold in 2016 for a total of 5.2m

Would you take that bet? Both of you said way higher than 5m, but you're holding me to 5m? That's really cowardly to not defend your analysis like that.


I reply because  you said it will sell 5 millions max while it possible i don't say it sure that uc4 will sell 10 millions,Uncharted is a leggy games

First week :1.7m

First month:2.5m

2015 total :3.5m

2016:5.5m

2017:6.5m

2018:7.5m

lifetime sale:8m

First month:2.5m



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

mjk45 on 31 October 2014
Teeqoz said:
theprof00 said:
Teeqoz said:
theprof00 said:
Teeqoz said:


You know UC4 releases in 2015? BTW I'm on mobile.

Yeah. Why? What is your point?


Because in the post I quoted you said that UC4 would need to have a 1 out of 4 attachrate to sell more than 5 million. So either you thought it releases this year, or you think the PS4 will only have sold 20 million by late 2015 :-O

 

Sure I'll bet. UC 4 will have sold more than 5 million by the end of 2016 (yes, 2016). 

And I also said that it would have to sell 7m this holiday to even hit 20m by 2015. I ALSO said (in the very next sentence, even), that even if in 2015 they sell 20m, it would be difficult since the last UC had less than 1 in 10 owners purchasing. I even posted the 10-week countdown thread (authored by myself) which doesn't include UC4 in this year.
Smh

5million by 2016? HAH
Ccertainly aiming low there. And here you both are telling me I'm being ridiculous, when you're giving it 2 holidays before 5m. pfft.
Again, let's make this simple. I'm not going to wait 2 years to finish this argument.

How about this.
No more than 1.7m first week
No more than 2.4m first month
No more than 4m by jan 1 2016


Jan 1 2016? That's not the bet I want to take. But it'll do way more than 1,7 million first week!

no, I'm saying that the lifetime sales will be way more than 5 million, and I assume you're talking lifetime as well. I don't think it'll pass 5 million before the end of 2015!

 

If you use attach rate from a system late in it's lifetime then the numbers will obviously be skewed. In that case, SSBU will only have a 1 to 9 attachrate, and will only sell ~2 million lifetime. We both know it will be waaay higher, which just proves that you can't use past attachrate to predict future sales. In that case Halo 3/4 would have a 1 to 2 attach-rate on the 360 and they'd sell 40 million each. Did that happen?


I'ts like when people say 80 million consoles , as if they are all in the hands of gamers who buy games on a regular basis , yes the sales number is large but the actual numbers  in regular use drop off over time ,  add  that  to the fact that regular users/buyers tend to make up a higher % of early adopters. and it leaves you with a much lower consumer base than appears at face value.



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theprof00 on 31 October 2014
small44 said:
theprof00 said:
Teeqoz you said it would hit 10m easily. Small44, you implicitly agreed with him by countering me on his post.
Yet both of you only think it will do 5m by jan 1 2016?

Ok, how about this.
1.7m first month
Jan 1 2016 3.2m
2m more sold in 2016 for a total of 5.2m

Would you take that bet? Both of you said way higher than 5m, but you're holding me to 5m? That's really cowardly to not defend your analysis like that.


I reply because  you said it will sell 5 millions max while it possible i don't say it sure that uc4 will sell 10 millions,Uncharted is a leggy games

First week :1.7m

First month:2.5m

2015 total :3.5m

2016:5.5m

2017:6.5m

2018:7.5m

lifetime sale:8m

First month:2.5m

ok how about this. Whoever is closest on their first week, month, 2015, and 2016?

8m is really way too high. 6~ absolute max. With the number of games coming out it's going to be hard to push those sales. Same thing happened with ps2. There's a lot of competition for those sales.



small44 on 31 October 2014
theprof00 said:
small44 said:
theprof00 said:
Teeqoz you said it would hit 10m easily. Small44, you implicitly agreed with him by countering me on his post.
Yet both of you only think it will do 5m by jan 1 2016?

Ok, how about this.
1.7m first month
Jan 1 2016 3.2m
2m more sold in 2016 for a total of 5.2m

Would you take that bet? Both of you said way higher than 5m, but you're holding me to 5m? That's really cowardly to not defend your analysis like that.


I reply because  you said it will sell 5 millions max while it possible i don't say it sure that uc4 will sell 10 millions,Uncharted is a leggy games

First week :1.7m

First month:2.5m

2015 total :3.5m

2016:5.5m

2017:6.5m

2018:7.5m

lifetime sale:8m

First month:2.5m

ok how about this. Whoever is closest on their first week, month, 2015, and 2016?

8m is really way too high. 6~ absolute max. With the number of games coming out it's going to be hard to push those sales. Same thing happened with ps2. There's a lot of competition for those sales.

I don't think 8 millions is too high Uncharted serie is getting more popular



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

theprof00 on 31 October 2014
small44 said:
theprof00 said:
small44 said:
theprof00 said:
Teeqoz you said it would hit 10m easily. Small44, you implicitly agreed with him by countering me on his post.
Yet both of you only think it will do 5m by jan 1 2016?

Ok, how about this.
1.7m first month
Jan 1 2016 3.2m
2m more sold in 2016 for a total of 5.2m

Would you take that bet? Both of you said way higher than 5m, but you're holding me to 5m? That's really cowardly to not defend your analysis like that.


I reply because  you said it will sell 5 millions max while it possible i don't say it sure that uc4 will sell 10 millions,Uncharted is a leggy games

First week :1.7m

First month:2.5m

2015 total :3.5m

2016:5.5m

2017:6.5m

2018:7.5m

lifetime sale:8m

First month:2.5m

ok how about this. Whoever is closest on their first week, month, 2015, and 2016?

8m is really way too high. 6~ absolute max. With the number of games coming out it's going to be hard to push those sales. Same thing happened with ps2. There's a lot of competition for those sales.

I don't think 8 millions is too high Uncharted serie is getting more popular

Stop saying "I don't think" either accept the bet or not.



small44 on 31 October 2014
theprof00 said:
small44 said:
theprof00 said:
small44 said:
theprof00 said:
Teeqoz you said it would hit 10m easily. Small44, you implicitly agreed with him by countering me on his post.
Yet both of you only think it will do 5m by jan 1 2016?

Ok, how about this.
1.7m first month
Jan 1 2016 3.2m
2m more sold in 2016 for a total of 5.2m

Would you take that bet? Both of you said way higher than 5m, but you're holding me to 5m? That's really cowardly to not defend your analysis like that.


I reply because  you said it will sell 5 millions max while it possible i don't say it sure that uc4 will sell 10 millions,Uncharted is a leggy games

First week :1.7m

First month:2.5m

2015 total :3.5m

2016:5.5m

2017:6.5m

2018:7.5m

lifetime sale:8m

First month:2.5m

ok how about this. Whoever is closest on their first week, month, 2015, and 2016?

8m is really way too high. 6~ absolute max. With the number of games coming out it's going to be hard to push those sales. Same thing happened with ps2. There's a lot of competition for those sales.

I don't think 8 millions is too high Uncharted serie is getting more popular

Stop saying "I don't think" either accept the bet or not.

I accept



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

bunchanumbers on 31 October 2014

Nintendo's whole business mantra is about keeping high profit margins. Sony won't be able to match that even with their sales. Sony's profit margins are just too low and it takes too much to generate a profit. While it indeed does this, it makes it hard to keep sustained growth. The smallest downturn and just like that you lose all your profits. Sony has this problem on a fundamental level and they won't be truly profitable until they fix this.