And you're proving them right. That's the point. What I'm saying is that it's better the change the name of the movement than to be ascosiated with misogynistic assholes, isn't it? GamerGate is now very closely ascosiated with that kind of treatment of women, so it's better to move on and change the name of the game. Even from the very start GG got ties with harassments and death threats.

And would you mind giving me links to the articles you were talking about with regards to gamers and such? The attack on gaming culture? Thx =)

Think about what your saying for a minute. You are saying you'd rather the professional gaming media, you know people who get paid to provide gamers with information, provide us with faulty and biased information then children acting up because they are mad. Newsflash, the gaming community aren't professional, they do not follow the same rules as professional organizations.  

Are death threats and harrassment some how ok? No.

Are death threats and harrassment unique to Gamergate? Hell no.

So why in the hell do you think, no Gamergate = No Harrasment, no my friend it means more shitty journalism.

Just because a few psychopaths, sent death threats because of what Zoe did, doesn't mean she wasn't wrong, nor does it me those death threats are right.

But especially in the gaming community, psychopaths send death threats about everything, game not working death threat, game not good enough death threat.

You can't get rid of them because of the way to community's developed and even if you raze it to the ground as this part of the gaming media is trying to do, it won't amount to shit, it'll just be more demonizing. The only ones who would survive, figuratively, would be the psychos making death threats, and then normal people will equate gamer with psychopath, like the mainstream media has been doing for decades.

Its a lot more complicated then unethical journalism vs death threats, that should be obvious.

http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DevinWilson/20140828/224450/A_Guide_to_Ending_quotGamersquot.php

http://kotaku.com/we-might-be-witnessing-the-death-of-an-identity-1628203079

http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/28/6078391/video-games-awful-week

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/08/the-death-of-the-gamers-and-the-women-who-killed-them/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/28/it-s-dangerous-to-go-alone-why-are-gamers-so-angry.html

http://dangolding.tumblr.com/post/95985875943/the-end-of-gamers

http://www.vice.com/read/this-guys-embarrassing-relationship-drama-is-killing-the-gamer-identity-828

http://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/gaming-is-leaving-gamers-behind

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_to_be_your_audience_Gamers_are_over.php

Apparently you don't use twitter very often, things were said, multiple times, that not only acted as her getting involved herself, but making it clear that anyone even so much as on the fence, was an angry male and thus "a monster".

again, gamergate started out as, and continues to be about the corruption, the problem is i suspect you have bought in to the bullshit, with all vocal feminists and all games media constantly making the connection where a connection was never there, and pushing their agenda, by subscribing to that train of thought you have robbed yourself of objectivity.

Now for the bolded,
Feminists have been around for an extremely long time, and have done amazing things to aid with equality and bring fairness and stability to society, agressive feminism is a relatively new breed in which educated women (many from communications studies and such vocational degrees) step headlong in to the firing line to lay down their ideals, there is no middle ground, you are either with them or against them, but it isn't simply a matter of "this person doesn't agree with us, but let's hear them out anyway" it's a matter of "theyre the enemy, shame them, attack them, insult them and degrade any point they attempt to make by cherry picking whatever you can and fix-focusing on a particular point, even if they werent the ones that made it, to force your own agenda.

That is the case here, I am neutral to either discussion, becase neither side are approaching things in a way I wish to identify with, however there is an extreme amount of cherry picking going on, a well known feminist will spout absolute tripe for hours, claiming anyone who is so much as undecided is a monster, misogynist and potential rapist, but the second someone speaks up in defence, regardless of how calm or polite they do so, either the person they directed the response to or the droves of mindless followers of said person take it upon themselves to do the attacking and labeling in their stead.

This culture of aggressive insistant opinion is very much aggressive feminism, because there is not so much as a suggestion of any form of open dialog, it's not an invitation to discuss and enrich the situation, it is simply laying down a line in the sand and forcing people to pick a side, and god help you if it isn't the side they wanted you to pick.

I've even had fellow female game developers still in the business talk to me about having received emails and letters from prominent feminists and games sites basically asking "have you heard about gamersgate, what is your view and by the way if you get involved you will be attacked and assaulted by millions of angry men, if that happens we'll defend you", and it's absolutely sickening, i've even had a very well known, and active games journalist who i was previously good friends with, ask me to get involved and help "construct" a situation where I would join a list of victimized women in the industry who have been personally threatened, to make matters even more sickening, It was heavilly implied that in doing so, I would "greatly increase my noteriety and favor within the industry and media".

It's this discussion that lead me to write a long post on my experiences with this corruption a few days ago, and frankly i'm fucking sick it of.

The industry is a cess pit and there is no amecable end in sight, there is no middle ground, no matter which side wins, everything is going to go to shit.

Oh and those zoe nude pictures? they were already all over the internet long before this all blew up, that's kinda what happens when you do a series of softcore porn shoots.

Bolded part kinda shows everything that is wrong about GG: Zoe receives death threats, and you're saying that she isn't wrong, while completely disregarding all the male journalists involved.

I should necver have written in this thread. GG always gets out of hand. But yes, I'd much rather have corrupt journalists than people receiving death threats. And I also think that's why journalists are "attacking" gaming culture; becasue IT is corrupt and rotten. Who the hell sends death threats tro some one over bad scores or bad ending?! Thats fiucking sick. Something IS seriously wrong within gaming culture.

Bolded part kinda shows everything that is wrong about GG: Zoe receives death threats, and you're saying that she isn't wrong, while completely disregarding all the male journalists involved.

I should necver have written in this thread. GG always gets out of hand. But yes, I'd much rather have corrupt journalists than people receiving death threats. And I also think that's why journalists are "attacking" gaming culture; becasue IT is corrupt and rotten. Who the hell sends death threats tro some one over bad scores or bad ending?! Thats fiucking sick. Something IS seriously wrong within gaming culture.

Is there a reason to believe that all the death threats were legitimate? I don't mean in the sense that people would drive to Zoe's house and get the job done, but that the people who posted the threats are indeed gamers and not some shills.

Is there a reason to believe that all the death threats were legitimate? I don't mean in the sense that people would drive to Zoe's house and get the job done, but that the people who posted the threats are indeed gamers and not some shills.