Spike0503 said:
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How does that makes it ok ? It's like saying we all die in the end, so it's ok to murder someone.

Spike0503 said:
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How does that makes it ok ? It's like saying we all die in the end, so it's ok to murder someone.

RenCutypoison said:
How does that makes it ok ? It's like saying we all die in the end, so it's ok to murder someone. |
Well 1st off don't call it murder, it was during wartime. 2nd do you know what the alternative was? It would of been a direct invasion which would of extended the war and drain Japan's already depeleted resources, and the invasion would've cost thousands of U.S and Japanese lives. And the Soviets were planning to invade too, they wanted to end the war, it could've been Germany all over again, with parts of Japan being controlled and split by the world. I bring this up because you can't really say the Atom Bomb was the wrong Or right thing to do, it was part of a list of weak alternatives.
What would you have done?
RenCutypoison said:
How does that makes it ok ? It's like saying we all die in the end, so it's ok to murder someone. |
It was a war and they needed to use whatever means necessary to make the Japanese surrender. If they didn't use the bombs the war would've prolonged for years and many more lives would've been lost. The Japanese government at the time had no intention of surrendering.
EDIT: I'm putting in here a statement read by Truman after the bombing of Nagasaki. I think his reasoning is well understood here:
"The British, Chinese, and United States Governments have given the Japanese people adequate warning of what is in store for them. We have laid down the general terms on which they can surrender. Our warning went unheeded; our terms were rejected. Since then the Japanese have seen what our atomic bomb can do. They can foresee what it will do in the future.
The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians. But that attack is only a warning of things to come. If Japan does not surrender, bombs will have to be dropped on her war industries and, unfortunately, thousands of civilian lives will be lost. I urge Japanese civilians to leave industrial cities immediately, and save themselves from destruction.
I realize the tragic significance of the atomic bomb.
Its production and its use were not lightly undertaken by this Government. But we knew that our enemies were on the search for it. We know now how close they were to finding it. And we knew the disaster which would come to this Nation, and to all peace-loving nations, to all civilization, if they had found it first.
That is why we felt compelled to undertake the long and uncertain and costly labor of discovery and production.
We won the race of discovery against the Germans.
Having found the bomb we have used it. We have used it against those who attacked us without warning at Pearl Harbor, against those who have starved and beaten and executed American prisoners of war, against those who have abandoned all pretense of obeying international laws of warfare. We have used it in order to shorten the agony of war, in order to save the lives of thousands and thousands of young Americans.
We shall continue to use it until we completely destroy Japan's power to make war. Only a Japanese surrender will stop us."
He took no joy in the deaths of civilians, he just did what he thought was right to bring a quick end to the war.
I like them all. it's congress being pansy bitches I have a problem wit.
| Dannyson97 said: Well 1st off don't call it murder, it was during wartime. 2nd do you know what the alternative was? It would of been a direct invasion which would of extended the war and drain Japan's already depeleted resources, and the invasion would've cost thousands of U.S and Japanese lives. And the Soviets were planning to invade too, they wanted to end the war, it could've been Germany all over again, with parts of Japan being controlled and split by the world. I bring this up because you can't really say the Atom Bomb was the wrong Or right thing to do, it was part of a list of weak alternatives. What would you have done? |
Except Japan was in the middle of negociating peace with the soviets.
I don't call it murder, i made a comparison, which is far from being the same. I still call war mass murder but i can understand why people would disagree and that's not the subject here anyway.
War was over everywhere else, the only option to japan was to surrender and they knew it. Also I can guess that Nagasaki may have seemed to be the only solution at some point, but Hiroshima 3 days later really ?

RenCutypoison said:
I don't call it murder, i made a comparison, which is far from being the same. I still call war mass murder but i can understand why people would disagree and that's not the subject here anyway. War was over everywhere else, the only option to japan was to surrender and they knew it. Also I can guess that Nagasaki may have seemed to be the only solution at some point, but Hiroshima 3 days later really ? |
Where did you get this info?. The Soviets invaded Manchuria, a Japanese-controlled Chinese territory on August 9th, 1945. The same date where the Americans hit Nagasaki with another atom bomb. They couldn't have been negotiating peace with the Soviets before Nagasaki. If Japan had surrendered after Hiroshima this may have been prevented, but they didn't. They understimated the Americans and innocent lives were the price. Truman did the right thing to end the war as soon as possible.
George W. Bush and Nixon. Anyone who turns a surplus into a deficit deserves to be on the least liked. He's an alright guy [bush] but his ideas were horrible. Spending 10B a month on a war that we had no business getting into... it sucks and it tanked our economy that everyone blames obama for messing up. Yeah, bush years are over but the mess he left would be impossible for an 8 year term, to fully clean up. It's like dropping an atomic bomb on a state and telling the new governor to collect all the radiation.
George W. Bush for killing millions in Iraq for false claims of owning WMD. Destroying a country that still lives in war every single day where innocent people dies. Destroying people life's in Iraq where people were dreaming of the so called American Democracy. He ranks among the top terrorists in world history.