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Hmmm... interesting question.

Morally, it's not saintly, that's for sure. And do some, or even most of those in the field have issues? Almost certainly. However, better that they are making money doing porn movies which are a very controlled and (realitively) safe environment than a lot of the alternatives these same people might otherwise be doing.

It is for sure a distorted reality, but then so is TV, movies, video games, etc. etc. That's a given. If it was realistic it would be boring. I think the vast majority know it's not lifelike. Or they will once they are no longer virgins.

Does it corrupt people? Yes and no. Like anything, the key is moderation. IF used in moderation, it's a stress reliever and spices up your life, but used complusively... it's unhealthy for a number of reasons.



 

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This is on a pretty personal level, but I've never really liked porn.

I just don't see the joy of watching someone else getting it on. Also, the first porn I've seen was by some really fat ugly middle-age woman and a really chubby hairy dude. So that's enough to turn anybody off porn for life.



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Gamerace said:
Hmmm... interesting question.

Morally, it's not saintly, that's for sure. And do some, or even most of those in the field have issues? Almost certainly. However, better that they are making money doing porn movies which are a very controlled and (realitively) safe environment than a lot of the alternatives these same people might otherwise be doing.

It is for sure a distorted reality, but then so is TV, movies, video games, etc. etc. That's a given. If it was realistic it would be boring. I think the vast majority know it's not lifelike. Or they will once they are no longer virgins.

Does it corrupt people? Yes and no. Like anything, the key is moderation. IF used in moderation, it's a stress reliever and spices up your life, but used complusively... it's unhealthy for a number of reasons.

Oh my gosh someone who use logic and doesn't argue its the greatest thing ever or worst.

 If only I didn't have such an edge.



"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."

Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor scientist. Especially if you think the moon landing was faked.


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"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."

Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor scientist. Especially if you think the moon landing was faked.


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^there that took forever



"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."

Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor scientist. Especially if you think the moon landing was faked.


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I'm all for hardcore pornography because I think it degrades women.



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Renar said:
kenzomatic said:
A 2000 MSNBC.com survey found that as many as 80 percent of visitors to sex sites were spending so much time tracking down erotica on the computer that they were putting their real-life relationships and/or jobs at risk. "Until they discovered cybersex, most of these people had no problems with sexual addition", according to the survey’s author, Al Cooper, a sex therapist at the San Jose Marital Services and Sexuality Center in San Jose, Calif.

http://www.allbusiness.com/technology/software-services-applications-internet-social/6161108-1.html

Above is the link to the 2000 MSNBC.com survey. Points from the article/survey:

"found that people who engage in online sexual activities are spending a substantial amount of time on these pursuits to break away from their daily routines, explore fantasies, relieve stress and spice up their sex lives. " That is, it is entertainment to them.

"cybersex sites appear to offer most men and women an outlet in which they can safely fantasize, flirt and get intimate 'virtually'," says Cooper, who is also an MSNBC.com Sexploration columnist. Overall, seventy one percent of respondents report they are not addicted to either the Internet or sex, the survey showed." Leaving 29% that are either addicted to the internet or to sex. And a much smaller % addicted to both.

"A majority of the population is utilizing cybersex to escape into a safe environment," added Cooper. Lowering STD, population control, lessening the chance of physical violence. See below.

"- Almost eighty six percent of respondents identified themselves as heterosexual, seven percent gay or lesbian, and six percent bisexual.

- Statistician Robin Mathy of the University of Oxford notes that national
surveys put the estimate of the self-identified gay, lesbian and bisexual
population at about two percent. "It is likely that the extraordinarily high
proportion of gay, lesbian and bisexual individuals in the study relates to the use of the Internet as a relatively safe
and easy way for individuals with
stigmatized identities to communicate and interact socially and discreetly,"
she says. " (italics added)

Note the much higher % of identification of non-heterosexual. Why? Again, the internet being a safer environment for them.

All in all, I'd say that the survey pointed out a number of benefical effects of online sexuality. Of course, for a newsine place like MSNBC and others that carried the story, that doesn't sell ads. So, the headline reads:

MSNBC.com Cybersex Survey Suggests Hundreds of Thousands of Netizens At Risk for Cybersex Addiction.

And as admitted by MSNBC:

"MSNBC website surveys are self-selected and unscientific, not the random samples utilized by polling organizations."

 

Full story:

MSNBC.com Cybersex Survey Suggests Hundreds of Thousands of Netizens At Risk for Cybersex Addiction.
Publication: Business Wire
Date: Thursday, July 19 2001

SEATTLE--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 19, 2001

Results Show that "Distraction" is the Primary Reason People Turn to Sexual Pursuits on the Internet

MSNBC.com (www.msnbc.com), the number one Internet news site, has announced the results of its 2000 Online Cybersex Survey.

The survey results show that almost one in 10 respondents
indicate they are addicted to sex and the Internet. Dr. Alvin Cooper, clinical director of the San Jose Marital Services and Sexuality Centre in San Jose, Calif., conducted the online poll, believed to be the largest Internet study of online sexuality to date. The survey, conducted during June 2000, received responses from over 38,000 users and found that people who engage in online sexual activities are spending a substantial amount of time on these pursuits to break away from their daily routines, explore fantasies, relieve stress and spice up their sex lives. MSNBC website surveys are self-selected and unscientific, not the random samples utilized by polling organizations.

Results also show that respondents spend nearly three hours online each week devoted to sexual activities. The survey shows that when broken down by gender, 9.9 percent of men report an addiction to sex and the Internet, compared to 6 percent of women.

"About one in four respondents acknowledged that, on at least one occasion, their online sexual activities have felt out of control or caused problems in their lives. Nevertheless, cybersex sites appear to offer most men and women an outlet in which they can safely fantasize, flirt and get intimate 'virtually'," says Cooper, who is also an MSNBC.com Sexploration columnist. Overall, seventy one percent of respondents report they are not addicted to either the Internet or sex, the survey showed.

While over half of respondents said distraction was their primary reason for engaging in sex online, education and fantasy were nearly tied for second place. Thirteen percent of those polled utilize the Internet to educate themselves on new sexual positions and sexually transmitted diseases. More than eleven percent indicated a preference for acting out fantasies in private chat rooms.

"A majority of the population is utilizing cybersex to escape into a safe environment," added Cooper. "Our research will help people to realize the impact of online sex on our daily relationships as we dissect the reasons why people turn to this medium."

Some of the other findings are as follows:

- Sixty three percent of respondents said online sexual activities did not have a positive effect on offline relationships. Nineteen percent said that cybersex had a positive effect on offline relationships at least once and seventeen percent said cybersex had a generally positive effect on relationships.

- Fewer than half of women said that online sex violates a person's marital
vows, compared to two-thirds of men surveyed.

- More than four times as many men completed the survey than women (82% vs. 18%.) But, on average, females were significantly more likely than males to report that they have engaged in cybersex at least once.

- The average age of men taking the survey was thirty-six, and the average age of women was thirty-two. The Internet attracts a young population looking for sexuality online due to its easy access, affordability and anonymity.

- Almost eighty six percent of respondents identified themselves as
heterosexual, seven percent gay or lesbian, and six percent bisexual.

- Statistician Robin Mathy of the University of Oxford notes that national
surveys put the estimate of the self-identified gay, lesbian and bisexual
population at about two percent. "It is likely that the extraordinarily high
proportion of gay, lesbian and bisexual individuals in the study relates to the use of the Internet as a relatively safe and easy way for individuals with
stigmatized identities to communicate and interact socially and discreetly,"
she says.

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So, unscientific, benefits ignored, extrapolated from a few to 100ks (which could be true, but look at car accidents. Death and maiming are the only purpose of cars, IF we ignore all other uses of cars but death and maiming.)

It does make for a nice headline, tho.


 Nothing like someones proof proving them wrong.



Also, and this doesn't need saying, I can't understand how any straight man could be "against pornography" its a basic instinct and one of the greatest inventions of mankind. Without pornography, the world would be a worse place, and if you gotta break a few eggs in the process, get a few whores coked up, whatever. It's about the entertainment for adults, and if the women want to do it, then as a man, I sure as hell would pay to watch it.

Anti-pornography arguments stem from jealous women, who don't want their man, or any man, watching better looking women in porn and getting their hopes up.

If your a man, and not gay, I just don't see how you could by against it, unless you haven't came of age yet, or your testes don't produce testosterone or sperm.

We're moths and its the flame. If your not attracted too it, something might be wrong with you, imo.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

kenzomatic said:
Yes I may have lost this debate, But does that make me wrong NO.

 When your own evidence proves you wrong... eh.  I'd say if definitly doesn't make you right.

Also, what does run aways working in the porn industry have to do with anything?  You can find all sorts of pointless correlations like that with different jobs such as butchers. 



You know while I have been debating here I made a few phone calls to 3 psychiatrists I know and for some reason they agree with me. And one is head of a major hospital.



"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."

Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor scientist. Especially if you think the moon landing was faked.


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