badgenome said:
binary solo said:
Lets be honest here though. The hate came from one side to start with, and it snowballed from there.
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That's very reductive. The hate from the gater side has been fed by long standing contempt for the audience from the journo side. I don't really think this whole blow up is about Zoe Quinn, or Anita Sarkeesian, or anyone else. There are an awful lot of female gaters for this to really be all about misogyny, and I'm not inclined to believe that they're all laboring under some false consciousness or suffering from internalized misogyny. I think this was a fight that was a long time coming, and it's predictably confused and messy and ugly.
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Well there is certainly plenty of evidence that a lot of women do suffer from internatlised misogyny. So the presence of females among the gatersis evidence of nothing without knowing the internal thougths of these female gaters. Every advance society has made through the last century andf a bit in the quest for gender social equality has been opposed by a sub-set of women.
You are no doubt right that grievances about conflicts of interest between developers and critics/"journalists" have been bubbling away. But what brought it to a head was a false accusation of sexual favours for positive press. So the anti-corruption boil was burst by a hot poker of lies and misogyny which tainted the movement from the get go. But the problem is it required something sensational ans salacious to wake the sleeping social media giant. It's a shame the movement didn't start under better circumstances because exactly no one disagrees with the notion that there needs to be much less conflict of interest and a lot more transparency of relationships in the gaming media; except for the benificiaries of those conflicts of interest of course.
I must say though, that in the original Quinn thread on this site I talked about the broader issue of corruption in gaming media and that there was a helluva lot of false moral outrage going on against Zoe Quinn because she had been accused of using her female assets to corrupt rather than more traditonal pecuniary, or at least gender neutral, methods. And what reaction did I get? "What corruption, there's no systematic corruption here, it's just a slut bitch spreading her legs for favours" or words to that effect. Gamergate would not have been predictably confused and messy and ugly if it hadn't coalesced around false accusations and the resulting cruel and misogynistic attacks.
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