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mornelithe on 16 October 2014
generic-user-1 said:

this gen IS different because its a x86 system  with pc like gpu and cpu. the only big difference is the unified ram, but thats not soo new too.  sure we see some improvements but far less than in the last gen.  the cell was such a strange piece of hardware, the new gpu isnt.

*yawn*  You can keep regurgitating that all you like, but it won't make it true.  Cerny already said time to triangle is shorter, because the architecture is easier to work with, however, that doesn't mean a brand new way of utilizing the resources available (which is pretty much opposite of last gen), is something they'll miraculously know how to do immediately.  As with the cell, it took them time to figure out how to offload GPU tasks to the CPU.  As with the PS4, it'll take them time to learn how to offload CPU tasks to the GPU.  I'm not sure why this is such a difficult thing for you to wrap your head around, but that's not really my problem.



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Aura7541 on 16 October 2014
zero129 said:
torok said:

Don't lose your time. He must post about PCs in all console threads to justify the money he spent. That's how it works. He's probably one of the most off-topic guys on this forum.

About his opinion, PC gaming is a nich thing. It simply demands more technical knowledge than 99% of the people have. Even if you look at mobile devices, people are replacing PCs with other devices everywhere they can just to avoid the hassle. Gaming on PC is basically knowing what a GPU, CPU, HDD and RAM memory are (most people don't have a clue), knowing which configuration is better, dealing with driver updates and games that sometimes won't run unless you edit a config file or apply a fix, knowing what AA, Anisotropic filtering and SSAO are so you can adjust the configurations and make the game run.

I know how to do it. I just already work with software development and I'm completely sick of dealing with computing problems. I just want to get at home, pick a game disc and put it on my console and play. How do I know it will work? The game box hass PS4 written on it. Patch? Console will do for me. I don't want the hassle, but some guys don't understand that it isn't for everyone to expend 1 hour making a game run.

Clearly you felt the time to reply back but this goes to you and Aura, How is what i posted originally any more off topic then what most others have posted on this game instead of this topic explaining why this is the case for the game being 900P on both consoles etc most of the thread has turned into "This is lame" "MS Money Hatting" etc etc.

I posted 1 comment and look how many of you have felt the need to bring up something as simple as what i said so many times and try using it as an excuse to attack me or my persona in its self bringing this thread even more off topic where if you or someone else didnt like what i said (It wasnt even an attack against your console of choice, so dont know what ya all getting up in arms for!) simply do like you said and ignore what i wrote and continue on with the topic...

I could reply to how wrong you are about it being hard to get into PC gaming etc (Even when its easier now then ever!) but i wont ill just leave it at this as i dont want to drive this thread any more off topic..

Um.... you posted more than 1 comment that was off topic or borderline off topic. Second of all, us looking for an excuse to attack you and being "up in arms" is an illusion that you fabricated within yourself. You were most likely up in arms especially when you claimed that Kane1389's nerve was struck..... when his nerve was not struck whatsoever and then proceeding to try too hard to justify your outrageous conjecture... -__-"



generic-user-1 on 16 October 2014
mornelithe said:
generic-user-1 said:

this gen IS different because its a x86 system  with pc like gpu and cpu. the only big difference is the unified ram, but thats not soo new too.  sure we see some improvements but far less than in the last gen.  the cell was such a strange piece of hardware, the new gpu isnt.

*yawn*  You can keep regurgitating that all you like, but it won't make it true.   Reply or don't, history, and present day facts show you're wrong.


history shows that people need time to learn how to work with new hardware, but this gen isnt new hardware, the wiiu  is a better gamecube(so not much improvement there, we saw it with the wii, the difference between launch and the last year was there, but it was much smaller than on the ps360). the PS4/X1 are PCs with some minor costum parts, You cant compare that with the cellproblem of  the ps360.

 

and No, history dont show that the games on every console improve strongly. gameboy colour games didnt improve so much and 3ds didnt improve that much too. but we saw great improvements at the ds(why? because it not just a stronger gba).

sames goes sega.



Zekkyou on 16 October 2014
zero129 said:
Zekkyou said:

I have an issue with the wording of this “anonymous dev”, not you. There was nothing confusing about what you said, it was just irrelevant to the topic.

Anyway, I’d suggest you read through their presentation. I came to this thread after having just finished reading it (after being linked to it by another thread), so the silliness of the OT was especially apparent.

It could be a case of bad wording, but in its current form the OT has the substance of cotton wall.

Oh sorry with how it was worded i thought you where saying it to me ^^ .

To be honest i think the Topic at hand is bullshit too and feel that ubi are coming up with excuses as i see no reason for this game not to be 1080P@30FPS on PS4 if its 900P@30FPS on X1 otherwise i still expect the PS4 version to be a lot more smoother with a constint frame rate where the X1 version will have lots of drops (And thats if they really are even pushing both hardware)

It was all part of the same quote line so no worries, easy mistake to make.

And yeah, i agree. To be honest i think both consoles should be be running it at 1080p/30fps. If it's the CPU holding them back, then both should be sitting on quite bit of unused power (given the nature of their hardware). Tapping into the PS4's potential would also see significant improvements for the X1. The X1's upper limit would just be lower (a limit i don't think ACU at 1080p/30fps would hit).

If Ubisoft had said that they didn't think re-working the engine to take advantage of those capabilities was worth delaying the game, i'd understand. I don't really agree with that kind of thinking, they should have accounted for it in the first place, but in the present it's a perfectly valid excuse. Instead they've been dancing around the issue like a chicken on coals.

Regardless, let's just hope the final build in a stable 30fps on both. I can accept them releasing it at 900p because of a lack of time or experience in pushing the hardware further, but if you're rolling with 30fps then that shit needs to be stable.



torok on 16 October 2014
zero129 said:

Clearly you felt the time to reply back but this goes to you and Aura, How is what i posted originally any more off topic then what most others have posted on this game instead of this topic explaining why this is the case for the game being 900P on both consoles etc most of the thread has turned into "This is lame" "MS Money Hatting" etc etc.

I posted 1 comment and look how many of you have felt the need to bring up something as simple as what i said so many times and try using it as an excuse to attack me or my persona in its self bringing this thread even more off topic where if you or someone else didnt like what i said (It wasnt even an attack against your console of choice, so dont know what ya all getting up in arms for!) simply do like you said and ignore what i wrote and continue on with the topic...

I could reply to how wrong you are about it being hard to get into PC gaming etc (Even when its easier now then ever!) but i wont ill just leave it at this as i dont want to drive this thread any more off topic..

 

It isn't the first thread you try to derail to "PC Gaming Master race, peasants!!". And surely claiming you are hitting some nerves really show how you are always ready to get up in arms with everyone.

We could really argue about how easy it is. Even if it's easier than ever, it still isn't that easy. I'm talking about the average user, that guy that when you ask him his RAM memory he will say that he has 500GB because of his HDD size. And I do have a gaming PC too and I know that sometimes you need to get your hands dirty to make something work (copying some DLLs, fixing FOV with FlawlessWidescreen and so on). My point is only that just knowing this basic things is way more knowledge that teaching that the games that work on a X1 are the ones that come in a box with "Xbox One" written on it.



Bet with jetforcejiminy: PS4 will pass the Wii lifetime numbers.

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generic-user-1 on 16 October 2014
torok said:
Kane1389 said:
 

Also, you didnt actually adress any of my points in the post, most of it is just your typicall ''PC is superior'' rambling you are known for here. Thats fine and all, but it doesnt disprove my statments on the next gen consoles being build on developer feedback and the graphics standard being set by the consoles rather than the most powerfull GPUs at the market.


Don't lose your time. He must post about PCs in all console threads to justify the money he spent. That's how it works. He's probably one of the most off-topic guys on this forum.

About his opinion, PC gaming is a nich thing. It simply demands more technical knowledge than 99% of the people have. Even if you look at mobile devices, people are replacing PCs with other devices everywhere they can just to avoid the hassle. Gaming on PC is basically knowing what a GPU, CPU, HDD and RAM memory are (most people don't have a clue), knowing which configuration is better, dealing with driver updates and games that sometimes won't run unless you edit a config file or apply a fix, knowing what AA, Anisotropic filtering and SSAO are so you can adjust the configurations and make the game run.

I know how to do it. I just already work with software development and I'm completely sick of dealing with computing problems. I just want to get at home, pick a game disc and put it on my console and play. How do I know it will work? The game box hass PS4 written on it. Patch? Console will do for me. I don't want the hassle, but some guys don't understand that it isn't for everyone to expend 1 hour making a game run.

 

you dont have to built your own pc. and pc gaming is realy easy now. just buy a pc or laptop, install steam and start gaming.

driver update is 1 klick and raptr automaticly sets the setting to the bestrunning settting.

 



mornelithe on 16 October 2014
generic-user-1 said:

history shows that people need time to learn how to work with new hardware, but this gen isnt new hardware, the wiiu  is a better gamecube(so not much improvement there, we saw it with the wii, the difference between launch and the last year was there, but it was much smaller than on the ps360). the PS4/X1 are PCs with some minor costum parts, You cant compare that with the cellproblem of  the ps360.

 

and No, history dont show that the games on every console improve strongly. gameboy colour games didnt improve so much and 3ds didnt improve that much too. but we saw great improvements at the ds(why? because it not just a stronger gba).

sames goes sega.

You're right, how could I be so foolish, GCN and it's accompanying cards were introduced first, January 9th 2012 (announced in 2011)...developers of console specific games based on completely separate architecture from ~06-07 would absolutely know how to utilize it right away.  I mean, we all know console developers keep up to date with every new piece of PC hardware that comes out.  Why wouldn't they?  I mean, every game Sony makes comes out on PC, right?  And every PC has a R9-290x, or a Kaveri APU variant which is where GCN first appeared, right? 



Aura7541 on 16 October 2014
zero129 said:
Aura7541 said:

Um.... you posted more than 1 comment that was off topic or borderline off topic. Second of all, us looking for an excuse to attack you and being "up in arms" is an illusion that you fabricated within yourself. You were most likely up in arms especially when you claimed that Kane1389's nerve was struck..... when his nerve was not struck whatsoever and then proceeding to try too hard to justify your outrageous conjecture... -__-"

Yes but that was replys that was made to other people after my original post and they where already off topic to begain with.

Anyway call it an illusion or whatever you like but clearly the was a nerve struck as can be seen in what i bolded to his original reply as no where did i ever even say anything about devs having to make games for high end PC's etc. But look if you or anyone else finds offence in what i originaly wrote i just dont know what to say! other then good luck to you sir and lets leave this topic to get back to hand.

Then why even bother replying in the first place if those comments were already off-topic? Picking random spots in Kane1389's original comment doesn't make your claim true and no one, except you, actually believes that his nerve was struck. This was something that you shouldn't have done in the first place and to try to justify it any further makes you look incredibly silly. Just restrain yourself from instantly assumming that people are "up in arms" and everything will be fine



generic-user-1 on 16 October 2014
mornelithe said:
generic-user-1 said:

history shows that people need time to learn how to work with new hardware, but this gen isnt new hardware, the wiiu  is a better gamecube(so not much improvement there, we saw it with the wii, the difference between launch and the last year was there, but it was much smaller than on the ps360). the PS4/X1 are PCs with some minor costum parts, You cant compare that with the cellproblem of  the ps360.

 

and No, history dont show that the games on every console improve strongly. gameboy colour games didnt improve so much and 3ds didnt improve that much too. but we saw great improvements at the ds(why? because it not just a stronger gba).

sames goes sega.

You're right, how could I be so foolish, GCN and it's accompanying cards were introduced first, January 9th 2012 (announced in 2011)...developers of console specific games based on completely separate architecture from ~06-07 would absolutely know how to utilize it right away.  I mean, we all know console developers keep up to date with every new piece of PC hardware that comes out.  Why wouldn't they?  I mean, every game Sony makes comes out on PC, right?  And every PC has a R9-290x, or a Kaveri APU variant which is where GCN first appeared, right? 

how many multiplats dont have pc ports?  they know the tricks, thats why they wanted x86 so badly.  i dont say games will not improve in the cycle, but far less than last gen(last gen was an outliner, not the norm, because of the cell).

sub1080p isnt going away this gen. the consoles just dont have the power, and sure improvements are nice, but games will get more demanding in the cycle, better AI, more things on screen, faster action,new effects, bigger textures...

and the gpu tech is new, but not that different from the gpu generation before.

 

but hey, your knowledge of 1 gen is surely right, it will be night and day, 2016 cod will be 4k 60 fps. 



mornelithe on 16 October 2014
generic-user-1 said:

how many multiplats dont have pc ports?  they know the tricks, thats why they wanted x86 so badly.  i dont say games will not improve in the cycle, but far less than last gen(last gen was an outliner, not the norm, because of the cell).

sub1080p isnt going away this gen. the consoles just dont have the power, and sure improvements are nice, but games will get more demanding in the cycle, better AI, more things on screen, faster action,new effects, bigger textures...

and the gpu tech is new, but not that different from the gpu generation before.

 

but hey, your knowledge of 1 gen is surely right, it will be night and day, 2016 cod will be 4k 60 fps. 

How many multi-plats are actually optimized for PC.  They know about as much as they need to, to get the game running semi-coherently on PC.  Then the PC community fixes their fuckups, because they're too lazy to actually optimize, or they want to keep the PC version as similar to the consoles as possible.  Most don't actually give a shit about the PC platform, but they're more than happy to drop a steaming pile in a box, throw a PC label on it and go for a quick cash grab.

If Sub-1080p doesn't go away this gen, maybe *fingers crossed* we'll have another bursting of the bubble.  Can't wait.