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generic-user-1 on 13 October 2014
AZWification said:

Of course Polygon's score is the lowest one so far...


no money no 10....



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Maraccuda on 13 October 2014

Oh wow, this is amazing. I expected many 8s, but to see it getting this much praise means a top GOTY contender.

Cant wait to play it.



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QUAKECore89 on 13 October 2014

Oh. GOTY then. Can't wait to buy it next 2 weeks.

Wtf Polygon.....



VXIII on 13 October 2014
the_dengle said:
VXIII said:

Just to warp this up. My only problem is the reviewer stated that the storytelling and characters are weak and then gave it a perfect score (be damned story). I do realize that the focus in action games is not the story.

@KLAMarine. It depends on the game and what it's trying to achieve.

 

The review actually has a lot of positive things to say about the story and characters:

"You get your fair share of cheesy characters and sight gags, particularly in the humorous opening moments..."

"Things get a little more tense as the battle to save the earth rolls on, but the game never takes itself too seriously, punctuating its deeper moments with sarcastic quips from Bayonetta, who... remains one of the most charismatic and powerful heroines in the medium."

"The story stitching it all together is utter nonsense, but fittingly so, because its absurdity serves as way to push you into ever more outlandish battles."

Chessy characters, doesn't take itself seriously and utter nonsense... How exactly did you get these as positive? 

But yes, you seem to be right about that comment in the begging of the review.

Long story short. Every game should be judged on its own merits, I agree. This one has story (unlike Titres) and has storytelling (unlike Mario)  and they are weak according to reviews. But since it is an action game the story isn't that important to the core of the game. Still it shouldn't be ignored completely.

Either way, I just hope well made and challenging games like this sell decently, I think it is amazing how it maintains the depth of the combat while being fast and flashy. I expect this game to get a fair share of Goty awards, if not the most of them.



Maraccuda on 13 October 2014
the_dengle said:
naruball said:

Also, let's not forget all the people who bashed GS for years for giving Ninty games low scores (starting with a Zelda game) calling GS trash and all kinds of names, only to make a big deal of of the site now that they gave a Ninty game a perfect 10. You can't have it both ways. You either  consider it unreliable or you don't. 

I think it's more like, "Wow, even in spite of their massive bias against Nintendo, GameSpot was forced to recognize this game's greatness." Obviously an overreaction, GameSpot has given high praise to Nintendo games before. Their last 10/10 was Mario Galaxy 2, and their GOTY 2013 was Link Between Worlds.

Every site has an off review every now and then. I don't think GS has any kind of agenda against Nintendo, but it's possible that most of their writers simply don't have a preference for the kind of games Nintendo makes.

Also, GameSpot had a huge downsizing recently where they laid off some of their more... outspoken... reviewers. So it's possible that change in staff has affected their average taste in games. But that was very recently.

True, but I do feel Gamespot love indie games over anything else and instinctively lower the score on any game that isnt indie.

In saying that, the 6/10 they gave DK Tropical Freeze is a tad harsh but I would have accepted a 7.



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generic-user-1 on 13 October 2014
VXIII said:
the_dengle said:
VXIII said:

Just to warp this up. My only problem is the reviewer stated that the storytelling and characters are weak and then gave it a perfect score (be damned story). I do realize that the focus in action games is not the story.

@KLAMarine. It depends on the game and what it's trying to achieve.

 

The review actually has a lot of positive things to say about the story and characters:

"You get your fair share of cheesy characters and sight gags, particularly in the humorous opening moments..."

"Things get a little more tense as the battle to save the earth rolls on, but the game never takes itself too seriously, punctuating its deeper moments with sarcastic quips from Bayonetta, who... remains one of the most charismatic and powerful heroines in the medium."

"The story stitching it all together is utter nonsense, but fittingly so, because its absurdity serves as way to push you into ever more outlandish battles."

Chessy characters, doesn't take itself seriously and utter nonsense... How exactly did you get these as positive? 


whats wrong wit chessy characters`and not taking itself seriously?



curl-6 on 13 October 2014
VXIII said:

Chessy characters, doesn't take itself seriously and utter nonsense... How exactly did you get these as positive? 

Because it's entertaining.



the_dengle on 13 October 2014
VXIII said:
the_dengle said:
VXIII said:

@KLAMarine. It depends on the game and what it's trying to achieve.

The review actually has a lot of positive things to say about the story and characters:

"You get your fair share of cheesy characters and sight gags, particularly in the humorous opening moments..."

"Things get a little more tense as the battle to save the earth rolls on, but the game never takes itself too seriously, punctuating its deeper moments with sarcastic quips from Bayonetta, who... remains one of the most charismatic and powerful heroines in the medium."

"The story stitching it all together is utter nonsense, but fittingly so, because its absurdity serves as way to push you into ever more outlandish battles."

Chessy characters, doesn't take itself seriously and utter nonsense... How exactly did you get these as positive? 

It is undoubtedly meant in a positive way, in fact you hit the nail on the head earlier (bolded).

Cheesy characters are positive because they are humorous. It's not that it doesn't take itself seriously; it doesn't take itself TOO seriously, by definition a positive comment (saying something takes itself too seriously is without doubt a criticism). And the "Utter nonsense" is "fitting." It's appropriate considering the setting and tone of the game. It's all in the context.



VXIII on 13 October 2014

Well guys, I diagree. There is no such a thing as a fitting nonsense. It is just setting the standards low and ignoring the shortcomings. By that definition every game should score 10s because we should judge the game on what they's trying to achieve. it is just a bad writing (according to reviews I haven't played the game. "the writing feels ridiculous" and "entirely silly cast of characters")

Btw, I just found out that the first game is 90% on meta (360), these scores should have been expected then.



curl-6 on 13 October 2014
VXIII said:

Well guys, I diagree. There is no such a thing as a fitting nonsense. It is just setting the standards low and ignoring the shortcomings. By that definition every game should score 10s because we should judge the game on what they's trying to achieve. it is just a bad writing (according to reviews I haven't played the game. "the writing feels ridiculous" and "entirely silly cast of characters")

Btw, I just found out that the first game is 90% on meta (360), these scores should have been expected then.

It's not a case of "one size fits all" though, imagine how out of place Bioshock's story would be transplanted into Mario. Sometimes a serious story is not a good thing, and something light-hearted and humourously silly is exactly what is needed.