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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - If the Wii and DS only had modest success, would Nintendo be out of the console business by now?

Maybe console market but not handheld seriously gba number are not bad at all



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

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i still think they will quit console gaming and will focus on handheld . or hybrid but there is no way another dedicated console after wii u ( it looks like it will hardly going to do 10 M at end of life)
wii u was huge failure



I think Nintendo would still be in the console business



Consoles owned: Wii U wii gamecube DS DS lite DSi 3DS Xbox 360 Gameboy Gameboy color Gameboy advance Gameboy Advance sp Gameboy micro and PC. 

I think I remember Iwata himself saying if the Wii could only achieve Gamecube numbers there was no point Nintendo being in the business.



Tlozjb said:
If the Wii failed, that would had marked the end of their home consoles, and if by modest success for the DS, you mean around 50-70 million, it would had probably not been that good either. Yamauchi said it himself, that if the Ds failed they would sink in hell, but if it was a success they would rise into the heavens. So anything aside from a pure success of the DS would had caused Ninty to sink in hell.


Haha, ignorance is bliss. When Yamauchi said Nintendo will sink to hell if [DS and Wii] flopped, he was not referring to Nintendo dropping out of hardware. "Sink to Hell", according to Yamauchi means going through what Sony is going through now... going into debt to finance their business thereby leading to your creditors telling you what to do.



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No. Nintendo could easily self correct to make up for losses. Trim down the work force, lower production costs lower game prices to raise sales etc. As long as they are profitable they will always be around. People like to define success or failure by number of sales but its deceiving. PS3 and 360 may have sold 80+ million but they sold at a loss for such a long time that it really hurt their bottom line.



You make it sound like they are hanging on for dear life. This isn't Sega we're talking about, this is a company who has mastered the art (or business) of creating profit in hardware/software, something MS nor Sony can claim. And they have done so for all of their history, except for a shaky year of the Wii U when it launched.

Sony and MS will exist the hardware industry LONG before Nintendo does.



 

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Definitely not on the handheld side of things and probably not for consoles. As long as Nintendo are in the green they will continue with consoles under current management.

But I do think some on here look at it too simplisticly thinking it would make no sense for them to drop consoles unless they were loosing tons of money. Its not always a case of profit vs loss, but more case of opportunity cost. If they took the billions they invest into console development each generation and pour it into something else, would they reap more profits? Software seems to be their main profit centre, so an investor might question how more money they would make if MarioKart was released on sony and microsoft platforms. Maybe there is a more rewarding investment out there other then consoles. Unlike Nintendo, Microsoft and sony do not make ''tons'' from their 1st party software and their prior success is built of making big install bases, reaping tons of 3rd party royalties, service revenue and eventually selling hardware for profit.



DarthMetalliCube said:

You make it sound like they are hanging on for dear life. This isn't Sega we're talking about, this is a company who has mastered the art (or business) of creating profit in hardware/software, something MS nor Sony can claim. And they have done so for all of their history, except for a shaky year of the Wii U when it launched.

Sony and MS will exist the hardware industry LONG before Nintendo does.

Not saying that ninty is in as much financial trouble as Sony, but ninty have posted 3 consecutive annual losses, not just in the Wii U's launch year. If Ninty has mastered the art of business, then they've memory dumped that knowledge in the past few years. 



If Wii and DS only had a modest success, most likely WiiU and 3DS would have beenn radically different.