Do you call Grid full on sim? And NFS Shift / Shift 2, Ferrari challenge, and TD Ferrari racing legends? All semi realistic track racers from last gen.

As far as what makes it arcade, I don't know. The handling is not as realistic as GT, yet definitely a lot closer to GT than to NFS rivals. NFS Shift comes close (without the suspension bug :)

What I do know is, that is has some of the best tracks I've raced on in a long time, and I play a lot of racing games. Definitely feels like driving around the Nurburgring, but this time in Scotland, Norway, Chile, India and Canada. I also can't remember the last time I played a single game for over 10 hours in 1 day. I'm level 32 now, pro tournament completed. On to legend.

I fail to see the lack of enjoyment in DC. Progression is fine too, there's tons of stuff to do and to unlock even without the online working. Yet I wouldn't mind motorbike DLC, leaning in the corners on these tracks would be something else :)

DC has some extensive damage modelling too. After running laps through the night my expensive super car can be sold for scrap. Deformed everywhere, most of the paint scratched of. Couple times landing on the roof will do that. I guess the arcade part is that damage doesn't affect the car, luckily so, otherwise hot lapping would not be fun.

85 vs 72?

I didn't played neither but I think the scores are fair... neither of them looks amazing just great and good respectively.

The line between sim and arcade racer is blurry. Basically if its not really aiming for realism then it often gets pegged as an arcade racer.

Personally, I feel a true arcade racer is the kind of stuff Midway and Sega generally made for arcades.

Yeah. I associate power sliding, power ups, and gimmicks with arcade racers.  Ridge racer, Sega rally revo, Wipeout, Blur, Split/second, Mario kart for example. Racers aren't very popular anymore apart from a few heavy hitters. Looking up genres on Wikipedia, racing is just mentioned as a sub genre of sports games, while shooters have 7 sub categories. There were over 90 vastly different racing games released last gen, probably over a hundred as I can think of a few more I missed while scanning through wikipedia.

DriveClub is harshly underrated and gets way to much heat for the server issues. Also funny to see many people judging a game they have not even played (Same goes for people who have not played FH2).

Of course it sucks big time when a game goes live and it has problems like DC does, but that doesn't mean the core game is bad. Also complaining the content is to limited and it’s not an open world is a bit dumb. It was clear DC would be a track racer so why even bother complaining it’s not open world? That’s like complaining God of War is linear.

In fact it's a really good driving game and tons of fun when you get the hang of it. I read people complaining about the penalty system.. you got to be driving like a damn idiot, because the game is pretty forgiving when it comes to car collisions. The AI is a bit aggressive, agreed, but not to a point that it’s ruining anything. It even makes you feel you’re playing against real players, because a lot of people drive like rednecks in driving games.

If you ask me the reviews came to soon, a big part of the game is its only community and racing online… How can you properly review a game when it’s not even live (or in this case stuff is not working). Strangely most MMO’s get reviewed a view weeks after release to see how everything works. It would be fair to review DC again in a month when everything is up and running correctly.

No doubt DC got a lot of ruff edges at the moment, but it has a lot of potential and with the right updates it can truly turn out to be one of the best racers out there. For me it’s one of the most fun racers I played in while, easily a score of 85. And when all problems are fixes and online is as much fun as it’s intended it could very well be a score of 90+!

No, I wasn't grasping it. I said that I accept the score as it is, makes sense most of the points EXECPT the ones that mention the game being more old-school and arcadey being necessarily a bad thing, now that real sims or open-word games are the current trends. 

I'm waiting on the PS+ version to decide! Although that may be an unfair sample to use to judge a game.

You get India in the ps+ version, it's the location that draws me least to do 'do-overs' in. I prefer the wide open vistas (and visibility of the road) of the 4 other locations. Yet if you like the ps+ version, it only gets better from there.

It's also unclear what 10 cars you get. The game has hot hatch, sports, performance, super and hyper cars. The difficulty really starts ramping up from performance to hyper. Hot hatch and sports are great to learn the tracks but don't really represent the depth of the handling model.

Maybe its not old school arcadey enough. The complaints are often it straddles the line between sim and arcade to a fault. Hence, not realistic enough and still too boring for an arcade racer.

I mean we know what Motorstorm was. That series was true arcade style racing and its fun. Unfortunately, a series like that doesn't have a wide appeal.

In my opinoin, DC should have been an open world sim racer. Sony fans would eat that up.

I'm not a big racing fan but I enjoyed Motorstorm.  I guess it's just something to tide me over for the month lol.